SALUTATIONS
Greetings and best wishes for a joyful holiday season. I wanted
you to know that I think we've got a terrific group working together.
We're growing at a nice pace - there are now over fifty of
us, up from about twelve when we started six weeks ago. The important
thing is that we are working well together, raising issues, debating, and
examining problems that most 'serious' Taliaferros have always known or
suspected were there. We're going to end up much better informed,
and we will leave behind a more solid and defensible history for future
researchers. Thanks so much for your willingness to take this approach
to discover our Taliaferro history.
NEW MEMBERS
CHARLEEN OERDING (hotomy@teleport.com)
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I am researching every single Fitzhugh that I can find. Consequently,
there are many, many Taliaferros involved. I do not have any specific
research requests at the moment. I do have a number of books on Virginia
which may help in research and intend to order "Old Churches, Ministers,
and Families" by Bishop Meade very soon as I am tired of running
to The library to do look-ups, and my husband is not arguing the fact since
I reminded him that I don't complain about his stamp purchases.
We live in Portland, OR, both having been born in OR but were away for
14 yrs. with the USAF. We go to VA about twice a year now since
our only grandchild was born there last February. I always get in
some research while there----last time at the Fairfax County Library Virginia
Room! My mind was numb after 3 hours! My husband is retired
USAF and retired middle school teacher. I did sub teaching
for 27 yrs. but have given that up as genealogy is a lot more fun!
Researching surnames: FITZHUGH, ASVIK, TUURA, MACE, and OERDING
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HOWARD BOWERS (DDVY05A@prodigy.com)
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I am seeking information concerning my great-grandmother Sarah
(Sally) Tolliver b. 1812 VA (from the 1850-1880 Caldwell Co, MO census
records) d. 1884 Caldwell Co, MO. From the 1880 census her father
was born in South Carolina and her mother in Virginia. She married
c1832 Giles Bowers probably in Roane Co, TN, since their first two children,
William Green and Henry Anderson, were born there in 1833 and 1835.
Their youngest child was my grandfather Hardin Thomas Bowers b. 1855 Caldwell
Co, Mo.
The Bowers family came to Roane Co c1824 from Orange Co, NC, settling on the south side of the Tennessee River. Several Roane Co court and tax records for the Bowers family also include the names of Charles and Richard H. Taliaferro, who with brothers John and Mark Hardin Taliaferro came to Roane Co from Surry Co, NC about the same time, also settling on the south side of the Tennessee River. They were sons of Charles Taliaferro, Sr, of Surry Co, NC, who was a son of Dr. John Taliaferro and Mary Hardin. My grandfather was named Hardin! Could there be a connection?
The Charles Taliaferro, Sr, will dated 14 August 1837 in Surry Co, NC, names a daughter Sally, and a letter found in Roane Co loose records dated 15 August 1836 from Surry Co addressed to Charles Taliaferro, Roane Co, East Tennessee, is signed "Your sister, Sally Taliaferro." Because of timing and location I am certain that Sally Taliaferro was not my great-grandmother. Because of their ages I feel certain that Sarah Tolliver was not a daughter of one of the Taliaferro brothers who settled in Roan Co, TN. However, I continue to wonder if my grandfather was given the name Hardin because of a connection to Mary Hardin or if it is only coincidence. Any information will be very much appreciated.
QUERIES
CHARLEEN OERDING (hotomy@teleport.com)
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Just received my first Taliaferro Times! How about Sarah Taliaferro
who married Anthony Thornton as the daughter of William Taliaferro (b.
1707) and Anne Walker (b. 1706)? William was the son of Francis Taliaferro
(1654-1710) and Elizabeth Catlet (b. after 1663-1717). Francis was
the son of Robert Taliaferro (1626-1687) and Catherine Debnam (b. 1626).
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MARY E. STEWART(mstewart@crosslink.net)
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I have struggled for a long time trying to discover the identity of
*my* Taliaferro to no avail. I hope the group will be able to shed some
light on this mystery.
My mystery person is Beheathland Taliaferro, wife of James Stevens, Sr. of Caroline and Amherst/Nelson counties. I do not have documented evidence of her identity; however, I *believe* that she is the Beheathland born 20 Aug 1738, daughter of Richard Taliaferro and Rose Berryman (this daughter is not followed in any of the published Taliaferro stuff that I've seen).
James Stevens, Sr. was born (probably) in Caroline Co. about 1735. In 1769 he bought land in Amherst Co. (the part that later became Nelson Co.). James and his wife Behethland sold the same land in 1774. James also names his wife Beheathland in his will (probated 22 Nov 1813, Nelson Co.). I find no official record which names her as "Beheathland Taliaferro." There is a collection of family group sheets and notes on this family at the Jones Library in Lynchburg. In them is a letter saying that she was "Miss Taliaferro" and "we all know that, of course" (thanks a lot!!). Taliaferro does appear frequently as a middle name in her descendants and her great-granddaughter (my 2g grandmother) was Behetherland Taliaferro Stevens.
By working back from the marriage dates of their children, I estimate that James and Beheathland were married about 1755-60 in Caroline Co. I think she was the daughter of Richard and Rose Berryman Taliaferro because of the apparently close relationship that James had with her brother, Zachariah (who m. 1 Mary Boutwell). They appear as witnesses on one another's deeds several times. It seems at least plausible that a man would marry his friend's sister.
I'm glad to share what I have.
RESPONSES
HOWARD I BOWERS (DDVY05A@prodigy.com)
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Re Anne Hamlinn's response to Glen Taylor in Taliaferro Times/4:
I believe that Sallie Burroughs was first wife of Charles Talliaferro (1763-1838).
His will 14 Aug 1837 Surry Co NC names wife Diania (I am not sure of spelling)
and children in order Elizabeth Jones, John, Charles, Richard, Polly Franklin,
Benjamin, Dickerson, Hardin and Sally. Will 25 Sept 1843 of Diannah
Taliaferro (who I believe to be widow of Charles Taliaferro, Sr) May term
1847 Surry Co NC leaves her estate to her two sisters Nancy and Francis
Tucker. If you want copies of wills, please Email me your snail mail
address.
Also: Re Hardin Jones and Elizabeth Taliaferro: I have a pedigree chart from Mississippi showing Hardy Jones II (1788-1858) as the husband of Elizabeth Taliaferro, daughter of Charles Taliaferro and Sarah Burroughs. Hardy Jones 111001-111001 is in the 1830 Roane Co TN census.
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CHARLEEN OERDING (hotomy@teleport.com)
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Don, I hope that I have your address correct. I'm brand new to
this newsletter---as of Dec. 14. Parents of Mary Taliaferro (b. 1686),
I believe, are John Taliaferro (1656-1720) and Sarah Smith (b. 1666) Mary
and Francis Thornton II (1881/82-1758) had the following children:
Alice b. 1708
Reubin b. aft 1712
Elizabeth b. 1713
Francis III b. 1714
Mary b. 1715
John b. 1719
Sarah b. 1719
Mildred b. 1720/21
Rowland
Ann b. 1726
William "Montpelier" b. 1730
Lucy b. bef 1733
All this info came from someone else and is not gospel!
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WELDON W. ROGERS (wwr@netdepot.com)
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Re: Daniel Harvie - I show two children: (1) Mary B. Harvie m Presley
R. Gilmer and died testate in Rockingham Co VA 1 Oct 1805. Her six Gilmer
children are listed in her Will. (2) Martha Harvie m Thompson Gilmer -
no other information.
Re: Mary Taliaferro 1682- (d/o John the Ranger and Sarah Smith) and Francis Thornton Jr. 1682-1758 (s/o Francis Thornton Sr and Alice Savage.) The secondary source is partly in error as to her place of birth. She was born in Old Rappahannock County because Essex County was not formed until she was 10 years old - in 1692. Powhatan Plantation is just outside Williamsburg, and in James City County. It was owned by the Egglestons and passed to Richard Taliaferro, the Architect, ca 1705-1779, son of Francis Taliaferro d 1710 and Eliz. Catlett d 1716 when Richard married Eliz. Eggleston about 1730. Powhatan is, currently, being converted into a luxury resort/subdivision.
Mary and Francis had 10 Thornton children who married Catletts, Taylors, Battailes, Fitzhughs, Willis, Walkers, Gregorys, Washingtons, Meriwethers, Jacksons, and their Taliaferro and Thornton cousins. They are well documented in the secondary sources with few discrepancies.
Re: Stepney - The Brittanica has another version of Bethnal Green. In the 1989 edition, see London in Vol 23 of the Macropedia p 297. "By the early 17th century, it (Stepney and the Tower Hamlets, including Bethnal Green) was already a place to which the poor gravitated . . .crowded with working class people, poor sanitation, high death rate, rebuilt after WWII, etc..
(Note from Editor: Weldon and I disagree about Bethnal Green. There were pockets of urban blight in the area, true, but a general statement such as the one cited cannot be validated. Bethnal Green was some miles inland from the very blighted areas of Wapping, Limehouse, and Ratcliffe which were next to the 17th century dock area. Stepney Parish was a large parish by 1600, but in the near past, it had been very rural. Bethnal Green did succumb to the same problems in time, but in the early 17th century, it was still a relatively rural countryside and not noted for the crowding and undesirable elements that existed along the Thames waterfront.)
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ANNE HAMLIN (AHamlin777) response to Donna Hunter:
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There is a "Lynn S. Taliaferro" household listed in the 1820 Amherst
County Census. Could it be the same person? Lyne S. b. 1795 would
have been 25 yrs. old in 1820. He could be one of the "2m 16-26",
but in that case, there is no female of his age listed in the household
& he would have been too young to be the father of the other males
listed. The census info as I have it transcribed is: 1m 10-16, 2m
16-26, 1m 45, 1f 45, 8m & 10f slaves - What do you think? Is Lyne a
nickname for Franklin/Franklyn?
There is some info in my database on Benjamin's ancestors if you need anything there. Also, if you have the parents of John & Betsy Loving Taliaferro I would like to have that connection.
Here is what I have on Benjamin's immediate family:
Parents: Charles Taliaferro b. July 16, 1735 Caroline Co., VA m. April
13, 1758 Caroline Co., VA to Isabella McCoullough b. abt 1736 Westmoreland
Co., VA Benjamin & Siblings:
1. Richard Taliaferro b. May 23, 1759 Amherst Co., VA
2. Charles Taliaferro b. March 29, 1761 Amherst Co.
3. Peter Taliaferro b. May 4, 1763, Amherst Co.
4. John b. May 4, 1765 Amherst Co.
5. Zachariah b. Sept 3, 1767 Amherst Co., d. abt 1800.
He had a child (M or F?) who married a
child of Gabriel Penn.
6. *Benjamin b. June 9, 1770 m. Mildred Taylor Franklin
7. William b. March 16, 1772 Amherst Co.
8. Sarah Behethland b. Aug 16, 1774 Amherst Co.
9. Roderick b. May 16, 1777 Amherst Co.,
10. James b. April 12, 1779 Amherst Co.
11. Rose Berryman b. January 2, 1783 Amherst Co.
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WELDON ROGERS (wwr@netdepot.com)- responding to CAROL (74024.1350@CompuServe.COM)
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The Richard Taliaferro Cascade is VERY good. A few additions
- Zach VI E married Sarah Warwick; Benjamin Franklin T VI F should be Benjamin
Berryman T; XII should be Frances (f) who married Kenelm Cheseldine on
9 Aug 1768 in Stafford Co. I have Elizabeth T IX and Mary Berryman T XI
(twins) marrying Worthams with Rose X marrying Zach Hawkins.
RESEARCH
ELREETA WEATHERS (rrw@htcomp.net)
*****
I would like to add the following to show the Catlett-Taliaferro-Gibson
lines.
Col. John Catlett I, b c 1622 d 1671, came from Sittingbourne, County Kent, Eng. to Rappahannock Co. (Essex Co.), Va. in 1650. His home place. Green Hill, was at the mouth of the Golden Vale Creek near Port Royal. By 1656 he had acquired several thousand acres on both sides of the river. He was one of three Commissioners that were appointed to settle the boundary of Virginia and Maryland in 1633. Capt. John Cattlet was killed by Indians while defending a frontier post at Port Royal. Across the Rappahannock River from Port Royal was Port Conway. He married twice. His first wife he married while in England. She probably died there before he came to America in 1650 . Her name is unknown. They had 2 sons, Thomas & Nicholas. Col. John married in Virginia his second wife Elizabeth Underwood, d. 1673., She was the sister of Col. William Underwood. He was her 3rd of four husbands. The first, Dr. James Taylor, she petitioned for a separation from in March 1654. She m 2) Col. Francis Slaughter. m 3) Col John Catlett prior to Jan 5, 1662/3 m 4) in 1672, Rev. Amory Butler.
Issue:
1. John Catlett (II) 1658-1724
m 1) ? Smith, daughter of Major Lawrence Smith
of Bacon's Rebellion
Issue:
1. Lawrence Catlett d 1724 m
Alice Thornton, daughter of Francis
Thornton and
Mary Taliaferro.
Alice m 2) James
Taylor 1705-1784
2. Elizabeth Catlett 1689-1781
m Rowland Thornton of "Crowes"
Issue: Alice
Thornton m John Fitzhugh 1727-1819
m 2) Elizabeth
Gaines, daughter of Capt. Daniel Gaines & Margaret
Rowzie, kin
to John Catlett I.
3. John Catlett (III) d 1739 m
1) Elizabeth Taliaferro
Issue:
1. John Catlett (IV) 1705-1744 m Sept. 25, 1727, Alice
Gibson (d 1761), daughter of Jonathan Gibson, justice &
burgess for Caroline Co. 1736-38-40. Jonathan Gibson
d 1744/45.
m 2) Oct. 21, 1726, Mary Grayson
2. Mary Catlett m Jonathan Gibson, sheriff of King George Co.
1736, tobacco inspector
3. Judith Catlett m John Bowie, one of the sponsors of Pres.
Madison in 1751
4. Elizabeth Catlett, one of the sponsors of Pres.Madison, 1751
5. Benjamin Catlett
6. Reuben Catlett
7. William Catlett m 1765 Elizabeth Fitzhugh, daughter of Dr.
William and Martha (Taliaferro)Fitzhugh
4. Thomas Catlett d 1739 m Martha
?
5. Mary Catlett m Dec. 22, 1708
John Taliaferro of "Snow Creek"
6. Rebecca Catlett d 1760
m 1) 1718 Francis
Conway. Issue.
1. Catlett Conway b Jan 11, 1719
2. Francis Conway b Dec 27, 1722 d May 17, 1761 m c 1744
Sarah Taliaferro. She married 2nd George Taylor
3. Elizabeth Conway b Jan 4, 1724 m James Taylor, bro. of
Dr. Charles Taylor
4. Reuben Conway b Nov 1725
5. Sarah Conway b Aug 27, 1728 m Dr. Charles Taylor
6. Eleanor Rose Conway "Nelly" b Jan 9, 1731 d
Feb 11,1829
m Sep. 13, 1749 Col. James Madison, Sr. They were the parents
of Pres. James Madison. Pres. James Madison at his
grandmother's home at Port Conway on the Rappahannock
opposite Port Royal on Mar 5, 1751. Nelly's mother was married
to her 2nd husband at this time, John Moore. She was Rebecca
(Catlett) Conway Moore. They were also sponsors for Pres. Madison
in 1751.
m 2) John Moore (d. 1759)
7. (Major) William Moore m Mary Throckmorton. One of their
children
was Rebecca Moore who m 1783 to Reuben Taylor, her second cousin.
8. Jane Moore m Erasmus Taylor 1715-1794, brother to George Taylor
7. Margaret Catlett m Jonathan
Gibson of Orange & Caroline Co, supposed to
been the brother
of Bishop Edmund Gibson of London (his parents were
Edmund &
Jane (Langhorne) Gibson). Margaret Catlett was bequeathed "Green
Hill" from her
father as well as 1800 acres. Supposedly she would receive
this if she
remained unmarried but she preferred to marry Gibson late in
life. Jonathan
Gibson was a clerk of the Orange Co. court and was succeeded
in that position
by Col. George Taylor. Jonathan was also member of House
of Burgesses
in 1736. He also was a godfather of Pres. James Madison.
Jonathan died
of accidental poisoning..
Issue:
1. Rachel Gibson b May 4, 1717 d Feb. 16, 1761 m George Taylor
(1711-1792) as his first wife. George Taylor m 2) Mrs. Sarah
(Taliaferro) Conway, widow of Francis Conway Jr.
2. Elizabeth Catlett 1663-1710 m Francis Taliaferro, son of
Robert Taliaferro & Sarah Grymes.
3. Sarah Catlett 1666-1710 m 1682 to Robert Taliaferro (d 1688),
brother of Francis. and had one son: Robert Taliaferro.
4. William Catlett 1670-1698 m Elizabeth Thompson (d c 1709). She
m 2) William Moseley
MISCELLANY
Did you ever wonder why your families all seemed to get up and move on at once? First there was the end of the Revolutionary War and opening of the TN and KY territory. Then came the issuance of federal land bounties to veterans in the 1790s that sent another group west. Another rush west occurred between 1815 and 1820. (Contributed by Merle Moore an offline correspondent.)
"During the evening of 5 April,1815, sounds resembling cannon fire coming across the water startled the Governor of Java who sent two boats to search the Java Sea for a vessel in distress. That same day, about 900 miles to the east, at Macassar, the Captain of the East India Company's armed cruiser heard what sounded like a heavy artillery barrage, with intermittent volleys of rifle shots. No one knew or could find out what the source of all the noise was.
"The noises, as they would learn, came from Sumbawa, an island in the 'island arc system" in the Java Sea. Tambora, the volcanic mountain, had erupted and blown the top 3,000 feet off the volcano. The fantastic demolition continued for one week, killing 10,000 people on the island and in another week 82,000 would die of famine and disease.
"The loudest detonations had been heard over 1,000 miles away.
Hugh tidal waves swept the Pacific Ocean in all directions. Many
people were drowned hundreds of miles away. The ocean was so choked with
volcanic pumice and other flotsam, ships could not navigate until the floating
rock washed ashore
or sank.
"Geologists calculate that Tambora blew an estimated 36 cubic miles - 1,700,000 tons - of dust into the sky. Much of the talc-like dust was blown into the stratosphere and carried around the world by jet stream. People around the world, not knowing of the eruption, soon found something was wrong with the weather. Spectacular daily sunsets along with a milky white moon and a hazy sun in a fog covered sky caused wonder in the world's population.
"Untold thousands, perhaps millions of people starved and died of disease
over the northern half of the globe. In New England clothes froze
on the line in the daytime in June. The effect was felt with decreasing
severity down the east coast into Georgia and Florida. There would come
a short warm spell and crops would be replanted, only to be killed by frost
or ice storms.
. .
"All food stuffs for man and beast were in very short supply, then exhausted. Animals were slaughtered as there was nothing to feed them and not much else for mankind to eat . . . inland to the Appalachians and beyond.
"Glowing reports of crop production and a fair growing year filtered back East to friends and family from those living in the Ohio and Mississippi River valleys in latter 1816.
"People left for the west because of what the weather had caused in
the east. Those who stayed east, though, were able in a few years, through
barter, trade, and repeated plantings to produce food and livestock. .
. . 1816 was known as "Eighteen hundred and froze to death."
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TALIAFERRO TIMES: Compiled from email and other sources
Distributed by Joyce Browning
cJBrown7169@AOL.com
18 December 1996