The power was off in our neighborhood most of the day; hence TT is a little late arriving at your mail box.

Editor’s Note:  Over the past two weeks, AOL has experienced some problems handling mail.  If you’ve sent a message and did not receive a response from me, please resend it.  Chances are I didn’t receive it.  I almost always respond TT messages even if it’s no more than to say “Got it.”

ELREETA WEATHERS (ecw@htcomp.net) sends information an internet map resource.  Thanks so much, Elreeta.  This is good information and will help a lot of others.

***To quickly find the GenWeb page for any county in any state, may I suggest that you visit the Hamilton County GenWeb Page at:   http://www.rootsweb.com/~txhamilt/main.htm
 
Scroll down the page to the Blue Button for a Quick and Convenient way to Move to another Texas County GenWeb site which is followed by the Blue Button for another state.  Click the Blue Button for another state.  A box chart will appear from which you may choose any state in the USA.  After you choose a state another chart will appear for you to select the county.
 
Caswell County does have an attractive GenWeb site.
 
We have several other genealogy helps on the Hamilton County GenWeb site which provides easy and accessible information for doing research in any state or county.
 
Bookmark our site so that you will know where to find us.  We are constantly adding links to useful sites.
 
NEW MEMBERS

CYNDI REPP (cyndi@inu.net) is a new member after my own heart.  She has combined here inquiries about the Taliaferro and the Moore family in one item.  For those of you who don’t know, I also publish MOORE NEWS, a netletter.  John Moore, Sr. is either an ancestor or near ancestor of my Moore line, and I was born about ten miles from the brick his son, Matthew Moore and his wife Letitia Dalton, built in the 1780s.  The house is still there, and occupied.

***I'm new to genealogy and most of my research was passed on to me because I  was interested and they wanted someone to carry on.  TALIAFERRO TIMES caught my eye because the name was in the papers I had. To make a long story short my mother's half brother is the eighth generation from John Moore, Sr. of  Albemarle VA.  The info I have has a lot of Moore, Hamner, Harvie, and Gains intermarrying with Taliaferro thrown in as middle names.  So I knew the Taliaferro surname had to be in there somewhere.

The names I have are: Zachariah Taliaferro Sr. with children Sarah "Sallie", Capt Benjamin b. 1754 d. 1821, these are just there not connected to anyone else.  Then Mary Henley Taliaferro Hamner b. 9/20/1820, brother James Taliaferro Hamner b. 3/11/1834.  Their parents were Samuel Hamner b.10/1793 and Elizabeth Harper b. 8/1795.  Samuel is the grandson of John Moore, Sr. My line continues down from Elizabeth Ann Mann Moore b.2/10/1824 d. 9/13/1896 Hamburg AR, Thomas Shockley b. 10/6/1891 Hamburg, AR, Mayme Shockley b. 2/5/1889 Hamburg, AR, Addie "Bea" Emory b. 6/16/1910 Hamburg, AR, Edward "Ed" Locke b. 9/28/1939 Hamburg, AR, my uncle.  I'm an open book; ready to learn and ready to share.

[JB Note:  Samuel Taliaferro and Francis Taliaferro were both residents of Albemarle County.  I’ve been hoping to put together some information about them, but haven’t yet done so.  Maybe someone else already has it in digital order.  We’d both appreciate it if someone would send it for TT.  It’s curious that we’ve carried so little or nothing about these twoTaliaferros.]
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BARBARA BILINGSLEY (barbara@surfsouth.com) brings us questions about Dr.John Taliaferro of Wilkinson Co GA who went to Georgia from Surry Co NC after the Revolutionary War.  He’s also my ancestor; and another of those Taliaferros who I’ve intended to put together his record in Surry Co.  Oh, gee!  I’ll catch up.  If someone else already has his record before he moved to Georgia, they might send it in.  Barbara and I would both appreciate it, as would all those Tolivers over there in Wilkes Co NC.

***I was born in Georgia.  I lived in Melbourne, Florida for around 15 years and have now moved back to Fitzgerald, Georgia.  I work for Deep South Products, Inc. and handle all of their division accounts.  My Taliaferro line is Bartholomew, Francis, Robert, John, Richard, Dr. John and Rose who married Joseph Porter. I have been doing genealogy for only a short time but have collected quite a lot of information on the Taliaferro line from quite a few different sources.  I have also had the opportunity to visit the grave of Dr. John Taliaferro in Wilkinson Co. Georgia close to Irwinton.

I’m also trying to find proof of the parentage of Joseph Porter who married Rose Taliaferro, the daughter of Dr. John.  I believe his father to be Ambrose and Ambrose's father to be Benjamin but have no proof.
 
I have copies of quite a lot of information on the Taliaferro families from sources such as: Genealogies of Virginia Families Vol. III pages 500-543. The Virginia Magazine Vol. 77-1969 pages 22-25, Virginia Magazine Vol. 56-1948 pages 208-210, Historic Georgia Families by L.W. Rigsby, Genealogies of Virginia Families from the Virginia Magazine of History & Biography Vol. V 1981 pages 373-382, Gone To Texas by W. Wayne Rogers 1978 pages 128-137, Taliaferro Family of Virginia & England pages 326-333 a typed copy of the will of Dr. John Taliaferro of Wilkinson Co. GA 1821 (the original will burned).

I will be happy to share information with anyone who wishes to do so.

I have copies some information while on the Internet and have found quite a few errors.  Please use caution.  I know that some books also have errors but I prefer having backup information.

I am very proud to be a descendant of Dr. John Taliaferro.  I have read quite a bit about him and his accomplishments.  I joined the DAR as his descendant.  I also have a note card that has a picture of the Wythe House in Williamsburg which is believed to have been designed by Cournal Richard Taliaferro and given to his daughter, Elizabeth, and her husband, George Wythe, as a wedding present.

Thank you so much for allowing me to receive the Taliaferro Times.  I really appreciate all you are doing for the family line.  If I can assist you in any way please do not hesitate to call on me.

[JB Note:  Just wanted to call attention to the fact that Barbara has citedone of “our” Taliaferros.  Wayne Rogers - “Codge” to me - wrote “Gone to Texas,” a wonderful reference if you’re not familiar with it. He is so modest, he has never in all the year and a half of TT mentioned or even intimated that he had published a popular resource.]
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DAVID HARMS (harms2@worldnet.att.net)

***My wife is collaterally related to Lucy TALIAFERRO, daughter of  Norman B. TALIAFERRO "of Lynchburg, VA".  On 6 Jan 1865, she married James Seth Little MOORING, b. 5 Dec 1841 in AL, d. 1906 (age 65), TX (probably in Navasota, TX).

James Seth Little MOORING's sister, Nancy Llewellyn MOORING, b. 1849  in Grimes County, TX, d. 1914 (probably Beaumont, TX), is my wife's g-grandmother.  In 1871, she married Josiah Lawrence COBB, b. 1847 in Edgecombe Co, NC, d. 1918, TX.  I don't know whether Lucy and Norman  are descended from Robert Taliaferro, the immigrant progenitor who  inspired this newsletter.

I found this information on James MOORING and Lucy TALIAFERRO in a book called:

   Biographical Souvenir of the State of Texas
   1889 - Chicago, F. A. Battey & Co.

My principal interest is extending my knowledge of the MOORING family through contact with other Taliaferro's researching the  MOORING/TALIAFERRO line.

[JB Note:  Don’t know what’s going on, but here’s another Taliaferro family I know a lot about.  Lucy Taliaferro of Lynchburg is almost certainly the niece of my husband’s GG Grandfather, Mayo Davies who married Lucy Taliaferro, daughter of Benjamin Taliaferro of Amherst County.  Uncanny, I go for weeks and nothing about “my” Taliaferros appears, then suddenly in one issue, they all appear!]

            -----<on another topic>-------

I found the below announcement below on a FidoNet bulletin board.  I thought it might be of interest to some of the TALIAFERRO TIMES subscribers. I don't  have any interest in this company, nor first hand knowledge of their products.

New! compac disc - $59.95.  Index conveniently in front.  You have your choice of text (large or small).  Windows and McIntosh friendly.

............ABSTRACTS OF GEORGIA WILLS, by Jeannette Holland Austin, Vol.
1-6, 1729 pp., plus ............500 pp. Indexed.

The main item of interest was:

  VOL. VI: 153 pp., indexed. Spalding Will Book A (1852-1880),
  Taliaferro Will Book A (1826-1866, Taliaferro Will Book B (1866-1922),
  Taliaferro Will Book C (1922-1949), Taliaferro Will Book D
  (1949-8/6/1856), Troup Will Book A (1832-1848), Wilkinson Will Book  (1817-1860).

  Floppy disk, set $59.95. Individual floppy disks - $15.00.  Compac disk (CD) $59.95.

  Postage - $3.50 for 1st disk, $1.50 for each one thereafter

More information can be found at:     http://www.genealogy-books.com/mailform.html
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BILL AND KRIS BATTAILE (battaile@mysurf.com) sends some information about her husband’s Battaile/Taliaferro family.  John Battaile was a major influence in our early Taliaferro family.  Hope someone can bring us up to date on this line.  We especially need to be more acquainted with the Battailes.

***Please add me to your distribution list of the Taliaferro Times.  I have read the back issues and have found them to be very enlightening.  They also really messed up what I thought was my good family tree.  It seems that the information on the WFT disks is somewhat in error.
 
I am married to William Battaile (Pronounced "Battle".  I will now also correctly pronounce Taliaferro as "Tolliver".)  William descends from Lawrence Battaile and Ann Hay Taliaferro.  Ann's parents were Francis Whitaker Taliaferro (Francis6, Lawrence5, John4, Robert3,  Francis2, Bartholomew1) and Jane Taliaferro.  I believe Jane's ancestry  is (Robert6, John of the Mount5, Francis4, Robert3, Francis2, Bartholomew1.)  I have seen the Battaile family bible, and foolishly failed to copy the detailed family records.  When I get a hold of it, I  will relay any pertinent information. Thanks for adding me to the  subscription list.  Another
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ROBERT G. BEHELER (no email address)  sent information and a request to subscribe to someone else who forwarded it to me.  However, the email address was not included.  If anyone has any one knows Robert’s email address, please send it to me at earliest convenience.

***I'm just starting to research my mother's side of the family.  The information I do have I got from my cousin, and she got the letter from Karen Woody other cousin.
 
 Creed TOLIVER(TALIOFERRO)      b ?                             d ?
                m ?
s Frances BURCHETT                     b ?                             d ?
                        m ?
 Children:  Mary Helen;  Solomon b 11/17/1880 Abingdon, VA       d 2/1/1973
Bluefield, WV;  Press;  Sarah
 
    John Bryant WOODY                   b ?                             d ?
                        m ? Tazewell Co, VA
 s  Mary Helen TOLIVER                  b ?                             d ?
                        m ? Tazewell Co, VA
 
Children:  Charles; Arthur;  Fannie;  Flora;  Creed;  Millard;  Ray Lee
Raleigh;  Tromia
 
    Charles WOODY                       b 5/11/1895 Mercer Co, WV       d
7/5/1983 Bluefield, VA          m  2/19/1919 Sullivan Co, TENN
 s  Sylvia Annie COALSON                b 8/5/1900 Washington Co, VA    d
1975 Lancaster, Pa
 
Children:  Carl Edward, b 5/7/1920;  Troy Lee, b 11//11/1921;  Oren
Wilford,
b 3/2/1924;  Pearl Edna, b 7/7/1925-d. 4/13/1926;  Dorothy Mae, b
5/16/1927;
Charely Presston Jr., b 3/22/1929;  Ethel Marie, b 7/25/1931
 
    William David BEHELER               b 4/19/1930
                        m 2/11/9151 Ventura, CA s  Ethel Marie WOODY
 
Children:   William David, b 1/13/1952 Los Anglos, CA;  Robert Gene, b  10/22/1953 Charlotte, NC;  Randall Lee, b 7/17/1958 Lancaster, PA
 
Mary Helen Toliver would be my great grandmother.
 
I'm also going to include part of a letter date May 18, 1988,  it was written by Karen Woody.
 
 --Charlie's mother was named Mary Helen.  Her family name was originally Talioferro,  but Mary's father changed it to Toliver in the rocords I have found the family used both versions for several years.  Fannie Tibbs has a picture of John, Mary, and Solomon that is around 7--75 years old and I think she is going to let me copy it.  On Solomon's marriage certificate, he used Toliver ( one L ) and that was in 1901.  When one of his daughters got married in 1920, she gave her name as TALIOFERRO.  I don't know the exact spelling of either name.  I have found- TOLIVER, TOLLIVER, TALIOFERRO, TALIFERRO, TALIAFERRO.  Who Knows?  I'm inclined to go with TALIOFERRO/TOLIVER.  Mary Helen's parents were Creed & Frances Burchett Toliver.  I recently learned that Creed was a Civil War veteran from VA. Raliegh, my grandfather, told me that Creed was a full blooded Cherokee Indian.

Raleigh, Fannie and Richard Tibbs say that Creed rode with JEsse James and that Creed was some sort of cousin of Jesse's. Fannie can remember visiting Frances BURCHETT's parents in Abingdon, VA.  She was a small child, however and doesn't remember their names.  Creed and Frances moved around a lot. They live in Abingdon, before coming to Bluefield, VA.  I assume they moved to this area beacuse their daughter had married John WOODY.  Creed, Frances, John and Mary are all buried on Hale's Farm in Falls Mills, VA, just across the state line from my home.  None of them have grave markers and cattle are grazing over their burial sites.

 This is all the info I have on the the TALIOFERRO line in my family maybe some out there can tell me more.

QUERIES

 CAROL CLAPSHAW (kadda@solomon.org)responds to questions about Behethland
Taliaferro.  Thanks so much, Carol, for responding to these questions.

**** About a year ago I came across a genealogy of James Stevens Sr. who was married to Behethland Taliaferro.  The genealogy looked just the same as previous ones that I had read except Behethland Taliaferro's name was Behethland Griffin.
 
The date for James Stevens birth in Caroline County VA was about 1740 and the birthdate for "Madame Beheathland Taliaferro was 1738 in Caroline County. They lived in Amherst and Nelson County VA. Caroline County VA.
 
In the Griffin genealogy all of the children and their birthdates were the same as those for Beheathland Taliaferro and James Stevens.  To add to the mystery James Stevens and Behethland Taliaferro Stevens named  their oldest son John Griffin Stevens.

I am wondering if Beheathland could have had a previous marriage.  In a recent response to a query concerning this I was told to check the following publications:
 
 1.  A Supplement to Pamunkey Neighbors of Orange County, Virginia contains a big genealogy of the Stevens/Stephens family, including those in Caroline county.  I did not xerox all the pages, so don't know if it covers yours. I  found this book in the Virginia State Library in Richmond.
 
 2.  Genealogy of Virginia Families, published from the William and Mary Quarterly (several volumes, black covers, standard reference)  has reports on both the Taliferro family and descendants of Robert Beheathland.  The Taliaferro were a powerful pre-colonial family.   Robert Beheathland came to Jamestown in 1607, so people get a big charge out of tracing their descent from him.  He had one daughter Mary, who married Robert Bernard and had Behethland Bernard.  She married first Francis Dade and later Andrew Gilson. 6 children from the 2 marriages - any of whom could (and did) name their daughters Beheathland.  See GVF, Vol. I, pages 257 - 267.
 
Does anyone have access to these books or any other information that will  help me gain knowledge on the mysterious "Madame" Behethland Taliaferro?

RESPONSES

LOUELLA (MOMANDBEE) responds to a question from Paula  -  note that once again “our” Wayne Rogers is being cited as an authority and published author of Taliaferro information.

*****Paula, noticed your note in the Taliaferro newsletter and thought perhaps the following would help you.  According to W. Wayne Rogers' published GREENER PASTURES, Nancy B. Toliver is the daughter of William Toliver b.1758 (1755/56 DAR records) Surry Co., NC - he left NC after March 1811 to Warren Co, TN.  Nancy B. was born Feb. 9, 1785 married Russell Brewer in 1805 and passed away in Warren Co., TENN on Feb. 17 1869.

William Toliver II is the son of William Toliver I.  We don't have name of  William (Nancy's father) first wife - mother of most of children, however he married Juda Denny Baltrip (a widow) before 1805., William lived until 1824 and Juda until 1830.

Nancy B's brothers and sisters: Zacharah born 1782 married Judith Young 1802 and stayed in Ashe Co., NC?. John born Nov. 25, 1786 married Mary Dick and passed away Aug. 23, 1867, Charles born 1789 Coffee Co., Tenn., Jacob born 1790, William born 1798, and Edmund born 1804 (of second marriage) who married Peggy Higgins in 1827 and lived in Warren Co., Tenn.

The notation that John was the son of Charles Taliaferro b abt 1690 Essex Co., Va and Ann Kemp b 1649 in VA. is not correct.  Notations have been made that Charles and Ann had a son Kemp and a daughter - and if you will figure the age thing out ,you will note it would be amazing for Charles and Ann to have had children in their late 70's.  The listing on the Mormon Church computer showing Moses' father as Charles and mother as Ann Kemp is incorrect, also.  Wayne Rogers material is based on submitted material he has received from descendants, etc.  Mr. Roger's material establishes that the father of the Moses, John, William, Charles and Jesse (plus two girls) is William.  Let me know if this helps you, if you did have, or did not have.

I am descended from the Moses line (we think) we are still trying to tie him to our line.  Needless to say we were thrilled with the work that Wayne Rogers had come up with to at least get us past the parentage hurdle of the brothers, etc.

TALIAFERROS OF EUROPE

COURT MUSICIANS IN OUR FAMILY?

It has long been a Taliaferro tradition that Bartholomew Taliaferro who immigrated from Venice to London, England in  ca1582 was a court musician. TALIAFERRO TIMES has definitively established that Bartholomew Taliaferro was a merchant, trading in London under sponsorship of the Duke of Venice. However, we were also able to speculate that the tradition has some basis in fact; and  I believe that I stumbled into a record that adds credence to the theory that, although Bartholomew Taliaferro may not have been a court musician, the family of his wife may have been musicians to the court for several generations.  Below is a reprint from TT, Issue No. 2 dated 26 Nov 1996.  At the end is the item I stumbled on the other day.

*****I promised I would present a new perspective to the persistent tradition that Bartholomew Taliaferro was a court musician.  Certainly, it would not be surprising to discover that this Renaissance Italian was an artist.English records, as we have been able to discover it, do not support this tradition.

In presenting the proposition below, I do so with hope that others will challenge it and produce conflicting information so that we can come to a comfortable acceptance of the source of this very strong Taliaferro tradition.

In inviting conflicting information, I am not calling for a litany of published, but unsubstantiated, reports that Bartholomew Taliaferro was a musician, but legitimate information to support or deny the tradition.  [JB Note:  To date, this proposition has not been challenged.]

. . . . . . . . On March 4, 1562, in London, Bartholomew Taliaferro
received Letters of Denization (naturalization) which identified him as a subject of the Duke of Venice and citizen of London.  The following year, 1563, in a London census, he is identified as a Merchant. This is not new information. It has been known for over 25 years.

So - one wonders - why has this tradition persisted hundreds of years, in spite of what preserved records tell us.  Where did it start?  What is the truth?  What power formed this Taliaferro family tradition and sustained this totally inaccurate tradition for so many years?

I wanted to find some justification for a tradition which has been so stubbornly persistent.  Surely, we must give cognizance to the strength of  the tradition.  So, I began looking around, not for reasons to deny that the family had unusual musical talent and ability, but to substantiate it and I believe I found the truth.

Bartholomew Taliaferro probably was what the record say he was  --  a Merchant. England was Venice’s biggest fan and supporter in the mid 1500s. There was a great deal of commerce between the two markets.
 
Bartholomew married Joane Lane on January 1, 1584 at St. Michael’s Church, Cornhill, London.  I believe that we will find superlative musical gifts in her family.  Gifts that they were worthy to summoned by the Monarch and designated Musicians to the Queen of England.  No will has survived for the person I presume is Joane Lane’s father, and he was not listed in the marriage record.  However, facts seem to lead us to John Lanye/Laniere who did not leave a will that has been found, so information regarding his descendants is speculative.  Given the variety of ways the name was spelled by scribes and clerks who wrote what they heard spoken to them, no doubt with an accent, it is no great leap forward to suppose that Joane Lane was a member of this family.

John Lanye arrived in London the same year that Bartholomew Taliaferro received his papers of denization,1562.  Both men were quickly granted denization.

In 1571, under the name John Laninell, he is described as a Frenchman, a native of Rouen, and a musician, with a wife and two children.  He stated that he had been in the country for ten years.  In a later record he is living in Hart Street, London.  Researchers of this London family (believed to be ancestors of the Virginia Lanier family) have discovered that the family lived originated in Northern Italy, until one of them moved to Gascony in southern France, from whence John Lanye immigrated to London.

Hereafter, I will use the modern spelling of the name, Lanier.

John Lanier, the emigrant and court musician, is believed to be the father of John Lanier who married Frances Galliardo, daughter of Marc Anthony Galliardo of Italy, also a court musician.  King Henry VIII sent to Italy for Galliardo, and the Italian musician remained in court favor into the reign of Queen Elizabeth.  John Lanie II was  owner of a considerable amount of property in the Parish of St. Olave, Hart Street, at a time when it was the most exclusive section of the city.

Bartholomew and Joane Taliaferro were also residents of Hart Street and parishioners at St. Olave’s.  It is not a long street, so it is supposed that they were near neighbors of John Lanier.

Nicholas Lanier, another son of the emigrant, was also a man of means.  He owned much of East Greenwich, Blackearth, and the surrounding countryside. This area was south of the Thames about 12 miles east of the Tower.

A second Nicholas Lanier, son of John Lanier II (of Hart Street) and grandson of the emigrant, became the most distinguished member of this talented family.  He was baptized September 10, 1588 (presumably at St. Olave’s Hart Street), son of John Lannyer, Musician to her Majesty.  He became a composer and musician in the court of James I, successor to Queen Elizabeth.  Among his compositions is the music for Ben Johnson’s “Lovers Made Men,”  and he merits frequent mention in the diaries of Samuel Pepys, also a parishioner at St. Olave’s.  Pepys wrote of Nicholas Lanier, “his music puts me in an extacy.”

Nicholas Lanier found his greatest fame during the reign of Charles I who began sending Lanier abroad as his emissary to seek out and purchase paintings and statues for a Royal Collection. The King’s emissary was one of the first connoisseurs to appreciate the value of the old Masters.  He spent three years in Italy acquiring treasures to send to the King of England. At the outbreak of the Civil War, Nicholas Lanier followed the Stuarts into Exile, and much of the art he acquired was sold.

Now . . . .  25 March 1997

One hundred years after Nicholas Lanier fled England with Charles II,  we find another Nicholas Lanier.  It would be interesting  -  if anyone has it - to circulate the American Lanier history or lineage.  Surely, this American Nicholas Lanier bears some relationship to the English family of artists.

1746    26 Sep I, Nicholas Lanier of Brunswick Co, for divers services, grant to my well beloved son, Nicholas Shepherd Lanier, one certain tract of 369 acs of land on the south side of Sturgeon Creek, and bounded by Gabriel Harrison.  The land was patented to William Read in 1726, and purchased of him by me. Witnesses William Hill, Thos. Laniar.  Recorded 5 Feb 1746.     [Brunswick County, Virginia, Deeds, 1745-1749.  T.L.C. Genealogy.  1991]