SALUTATIONS
This issue is devoted to New Member introductions. You've really come through to help us pull through the summer doldrums. I appreciate it very much for the aid is gives to me. Those who will spot the very item of information they need to carry forward their research will really be appreciative. Thanks also for the appreciation many of you expressed concerning our moment of renewal on reading the first part of the Declaration of Independence.
Reports are that the web page that holds the back issues is out of date. Our very generous subscriber who provides this service for us is in the process of moving from England back to the US. This has caused the delay. Please hang on for a while longer till he can catch us up.
NEW MEMBERS
MARTHA RICHMOND (103511.633@compuserve.com) ******Just turned on to your newsletter by Isabel Seavey. What a gem. I've only read the first few, but haven't seen any mention of the Louisiana branch of the Taliaferro tree.
Our James Govan Taliaferro, Sr. (b. 1798, Amherst Co., VA) migrated down to Catahoula Parish in the early 1800's. I have a great deal of info on this family. However there is some confusion about about a couple of generations prior.
JGT's father was Zachariah who married to Sally Warwick. His father was Charles (b.7/17/1735), married to Isabel McCulloch. Charles father was Richard (b.1703, married to Rose Berryman) & I see a good bit of discussion on him.
My question: who exactly was Richard's father? I thought it was Zachariah (b 1683-85), son of Francis; but have been told that this Zachariah had no children, and that John was Richard's father. I would figure that to be Z's brother, John, but was told it was John the Ranger, who would appear to be a generation too soon.
I'm confused and my tree's a mess. Can anyone give some accurate info on this?
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HERMAN WHITE (hermlouwhite@juno.com)
*****I just visited the web site and found 18 back issues
of the Times. I put them on disk to send to my sister. Guess
I had better give you more information on our family.
I live in Colorado Springs. Co. My sister is the real genealogist in the family. Her Name is Patsy White Penney of Jonesboro, AR. She has done the majority of the family research. She is a member of every organization there is; i.e., DAR, Colonial Dames, Jamestown Society, Magna Charta, Dau of Confederacy, and probably a dozen more I can not remember. Patsy has a dinosaur computer and is not on the net or has the capability to get there. I keep prodding her to up grade which I think she will do soon. I sent her the latest T. Times as well our initial and subsequent correspondence via E-mail through a friend and she was very excited about it. I would like to send her the other issues if that is possible.
My family connects to the Taliaferros two ways: 1st . John Taliaferro b.1656, m. Sarah Smith and dau Mary Taliaferro m. Francis Thornton. Their dau Elizabeth Thornton m. Thomas Meriwether their son Francis m. Martha Jamison. Their dau Lucy Meriwether m Grover Howard, and their son, Robert Howard, m.Sarah Harvie Gilmer(see below)
2nd - John & Sarah's son Richard m. Rose Berryman, their son Zachariah Taliaferro m. Mary Braxton Boutwell. Their dau Sally Taliaferro m. Daniel Harvie and their dau Nancy Ann Harvie m. Thomas L. Gilmer. Their dau Sarah Harvie Gilmer m.Robert Howard their dau Annie Harvie Howard m. Lucian A. Webster and their son John Green Webster is my Gfather on my mothers side.
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(SKP2307@aol.com)
*****I tried to keep my bio short and after reading other "new member"
bios I wasn't sure if you wanted the entire linage. I just received
your E-mail and I'm wondering if you are suggesting I add more. So
here goes.
Jesse Toliver b 1756 Fauquier Co., Va, d. Mar 4, 1838 Ashe C. NC. m 4/1 or 2/1782 to Frankey Stamper children include Jane b 7/6/1783, Susan b. 2/14/1785, Sara b 5/9/1786, John b 6/20/1788, Martha b 3/13/1797, Jacob b 7/26/1799, Allen b 7/18/1802, Solomon b 5/13/1804, Starling b 3/13/1806, Hiram b 3/10/1808
John Toliver b 6/20/1788 Wilkes Co., NC; d 1833 Ashe Co., NC; m 1810 to Anne or Anna Long children include Frances, Levi, Patience, Mathursia b 1/11/1811, Larkin b 1814, Isom b 7/29/1814, Eli b 4/15/1818, Hiram b 4/29/1822, Tobias b 5/15/1824, Martha b 1829 and Jane b 1830
Tobias J. Toliver b 5/15/1824 Ashe Co., NC d 8/31/1885 Glenwood, MO, m 12/14/1848 to Margaret Jane Stephens children include Martha b 1849, Winfield Scott b 1852, Mary b 1854, George Washington b 6/2/1857, Lucinda b abt 1860, Victoria b 1860, and Isabella b 12/12/1867
Winfield Scott Toliver b 1852 in IA d 3/24/1895 in Glenwood, MO, m 10/10/1878 to Mary Susan Kimbrell children include Earnest Leslie b 11/8/1879, Orvil Raymond b 4/22/1881, Forest Elmer b 4/6/1883, Herman Jones b 4/10/1885, Otis Glen b 8/30/1887, Carl Jackson b 4/5/1889, Cora May 5/12/1891, Dora Myrtal b 7/8/1893, Melvin Winfield b 8/26/1895
Glen Toliver b 8/30/1887 near Glenwood, MO, d 12/1/1944 Portland, OR, m 1912 to Nettie Kalb or Kolb children include Frank Toliver b 12/9/1913, Esther May b 4/19/1915, Norma Pearl 6/12/1916 and Allen b 5/14/1917.
Nettie died in 5/14/1917 Glen m 1/24/1920 to Lydia Rosenberg children include Elma Mildred b 1920, Ernest Victor b 1922, Andrew Alvin b 1925, Clarence Edward b 1927, Kathryn Mary b 1928, Delores Myrtle b 1930, Frances Marlene b 1932, Glen Herman b 1935, Rollan Ray 1936, d 1936
Ernest Victor b 1922, m 1946 to Esther Roth children include Gail, Michael, Ilene, Susan, Patricia, Glen, Kurt.
I have been able to trace many branches off of the above tree, most without documentation (heresay), but if interested it may give someone a good starting point.
If this is too much, feel free to cut. Will I ever be able to
read issues 19-30? John Wood said there had been a discussion on
Jesse Toliver's parents. I would like to read that. I realize you
aren't responsible for that portion, but from experience, do you know how
much of a delay there is between your issue date and when they are posted
to the web page?
RESEARCH
GEORGE TELIFERO (GTellifero@aol.com) Ye olde editor appreciates George's appreciateion - as well as the name of his church group! - and thought he deserved his own section. It's a privilege editors reserve unto themselves. George also has a very interesting story to tell. *****Wanted you to know that the 4th of July issue was appreciated and enjoyed. I have retained copies of all issues on disk and look forward to each new edition. I especially enjoyed the 4th of July issue. (I know the date was 2 Jul 97, but the theme was 4th of July. I have been requested to give a talk to our church group -- DMA (Don't Mention Age) with a patriotic theme at the July meeting and will undoubtedly use parts of the open article..
The St Olave's story was very interesting -- My wife's grandparents and father immigrated from Norway and when we were in Europe, we visited her first cousin in Trondhelm -- its always nice to read about familiar locations and things. [George doesn't explain it here, but St. Olave's Church is named for an ancient Norwegian.]
Then the civil war -- which played a major role and mystery in my immediate predecessors. My branch of the family history comes via Richard Taliaferro, who served with General James Scott (May 28th issue of TT). Richard was awarded a parcel of land across the Ohio river from Louisville, KY. He died while visiting a son in Ohio. One son, Jefferson is the father of my g- grandfather James Andrew. Family stories are that the family had roots in Ohio, despite the fact that in 1861 both he and his father were residents of MO. James Andrew enlisted in the Missouri Militia in Dec of 1861. (I wonder, did he have the approval of either his wife or father?) James and Jefferson were both merchants (income was not based on slave labor) from Illinois. James Andrew was wounded at Pea Ridge, Arkansas, and abandoned when his unit and medical support were over run. However, he was not captured and was later erroneously declared dead. It is unclear how and why this happened. There was a surviving spouse, 3 children, a father, and a half brother who was at Pea Ridge, who resided in Gentry Co., MO.
Missouri politics in 1861 was about evenly split between rebel and federal sentiment. History tells us a large faction, with anti-sessionist sentiments, were called "lop earred dutch men." History also tells of the assignation of an older, outspoken "lop earred Dutchman," named Rhodes. Years later one of James Andrew's daughters married a Rhodes and lived in Iowa. Little is known of Cathrine Holland, James Andrew's 1st wife. Both her place of birth and death are unknown, this may be the result of lost and/or destroyed records. Were Cathrine and James Andrew's politics and loyalties divided? James Andrew was nursed back to health and married his nurse a young lady from Georgia, Amanda Jane Beckworth, moved to Texas where they reared 11 children and lived until 1931.
MISCELLANY
Did you ever wonder how your ancestors paid for the articles in their lives that they didn't make or grow for themselves. A system developed in Virginia that affects how we do business today.
Our ancestors raised or made or built most of the things they needed in their daily life, but what they couldn't grow it or make it? How did buy what they needed? Most of us know about the tobacco harvested, dried in steamy curing barns, then rolled to the nearest warehouse and sold to the highest bidder, that tobacco was often the source of support for the local minister and school master, was traded for a new piece of land. So what happened when there was no tobacco to barter, and how did the sale of tobacco produce 'money.'
Source: Life in Old Virginia. Author, James J. McDonald. Publisher, the Old Virginia Publishing Co., Norfolk VA. 1907
Virginia Financiering.
The credit system in America originated in Virginia. In the early
years of the Colony there was no money in circulation. Tobacco was
the staple crop, the standard of values and the circulation medium, as
well as the main article of export, for the planters. It became a
necessity for the planter to seek credits for his pressing needs until
the harvesting of his tobacco.
This product was bulky and inconvenient to carry from place to place as a medium of exchange. Therefore, the Colonial Government authorized tobacco warehouses, called 'rolling houses,' from the method of rolling the tobacco along the road in hogsheads to the shipping point.
In the early years of the colony, the public highways of Tidewater Virginia were almost impassable for heavily laden vehicles. The planters therefore, in order to get their tobacco to the shipping point, prepared their hogsheads, or casks, for rolling by driving a long wooden spike into the center of each end of the cask, a part of which projected beyond to serve as axletree. A split sapling was fitted for shafts and extended to rear of cask; the ends of the sapling shafts were there connected with a hickory withe; a few slabs were nailed to these in front of the cask, forming a footboard or box, in which were stored for the the journey, a middling or two of meat, a bag of meal, a frying pan, a hoe, an axe, and a blanket to shelter the driver at night, and fodder and corn for the animals.
If the distance to market was moderate, the cask was rolled on its hoops, which were stout and numerous, but if fifty or more miles, through rough belloes were spiked to each end to strengthen it.
There were men who engaged solely in this business. They traveled in parties and assisted each other on the journey. Thy were sometimes engaged one or two weeks in making the return trip. At night fall, they kindled a fire in the woods by the road side, baked a hoe cake, fried some bacon, fed their team, and rolled their blanket around them and slept, by the fire near their cask. The "tobacco rollers" were a rough set of men generally.
A furnace stood near each warehouse, and tobacco unfit for export was burned there in accordance with law which forbade the sale of poor tobacco. These rolling houses were in charge of government inspectors who weighed, stored and sold the tobacco, and after the public dues were deducted, the balance was delivered to the producer.
Acts were passed providing that the inspectors of the warehouses should be obliged to deliver promissory notes for the full quantity of tobacco received by them "which notes shall be and are hereby declared to be current and paible in all tobacco paiments whatsoever, according to the species expressed in the note * * and shall be transferred from one to another in all such paiments, and shall be paid and satisfied by the inspector who signed the same upon demand." It was further provided that such notes could be renewed, and to counterfeit them was made a felony. If the notes were renewed and the fees paid, the tobacco was sold and the balance of the proceeds after collecting fees, was then turned over to the last holder on demand.
The fault in this system was the uncertainty and perishableness of its basis, if the tobacco spoiled or deteriorated in quality or quantity. Later acts were passed to guard against these conditions, in which it was provided than no "crop note" older than eighteen months should be legal tender.
For the whole Colonial period, there were no banks. The "Bank of Alexandria," in Alexandria City, was the first bank chartered in Virginia by Act of Assembly, November 23, 1792. . . .
The necessity of seeking credits during the early years of the colony
of Virginia became the privilege and custom followed by many Virginia up
to the close of the Civil War. Court day was therefore a busy day
with the "Note Shavers;" a class of men whose business it was to loan money,
and to trade in financial paper of every description. They were shrewdly
informed as to the ability of every 'many of note' in their section, and
could determine at a moment's notice the discount or premium at which the
man's paper promises should be exchanged or received. The planters'
notes passed from hand to hand in their own or the adjoining counties in
payment of other debts, and were sometimes accepted, through the local
merchants, in payment of their purchases in the nearby cities.
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28 February 1998
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