SALUTATIONS
Here's a notification form JOHN TOLIVER which will benefit many of us. Thanks so much, John, for sending this to the readers of TT. It will be of interest and aid to many of us.
JOHN TOLIVER (tolyfoly@flash.net)
***** I came across some material on the web that might be of interest.
In the 1600s a group of Scots were living along the border with England
and became very efficient in border warfare. Note the recent movie (Rob
Roy). Many were removed to Northern Ireland, and being Protestant intermarried
with Irish. Some are now identified as Scots/Irish or Orange men.
The group became out of favor with England as the war clouds were thinning
a bit. That is my quick summary of the article except it goes on
to describe the immigration route the Orangemen took thru PA and on.
I have noticed that where there is a Toliver there most likely is an
Orange Co near. The article is many pages long. To access it,
into the Olive Tree and from their menu, you will find ship sailings and
much more. The web address for 1700s Scots/Irish Emigration
<<http;//www.zekes.c....html#introduction >>
NEW MEMBERS
DAVE TALIAFERRO (dtaliaf@Rt66.com) expanded his introduction at my request. He shares with us a letter from his great grandfather who was doing what we're doing now; but he knew some of the people we only read about. Many thanks, Dave, for this contribution.
*****I have lived in Albuquerque, NM for the last ten years. When I was in the Army some paperwork for a Taliaferro in the Puerto Rican national guard had been mistakenly placed in my records. He was a Captain (1977), but I can't remember the first name, although I seem to think it was Hispanic. I wonder what would be an easy way to follow that lead?
I note that there is an interest in the migrations of some of the various
Taliaferro groups, such as the Taliaferro-Taylor branch in Kentucky and
Ohio. As I received the information on my own connection to this group,
it caused me to ponder the pairing of individuals in the group by marriage.
Seems the
world was much smaller back then, and spouses were generally introduced
through the larger family and local culture.
Here is the letter from Thomas F. Taliaferro to my great-grandfather, James T. Taliaferro. Also I have a letter of resignation from James after being wounded during a skirmish with Confederate rebels in the early days of the Civil War. The Missouri conflict was unusual in comparison to the rest of the country's and would provide an interesting topic in your study group. I will transcribe the county history info on James and send it as soon as I can.
Well, I can see that this "hobby" could quickly absorb all available
free time.
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Frankfort, Ky, Feb.16, 1900
Mr. James Taliaferro - White Oaks, Missouri
My Dear Sir,
I am very grateful to you for the "Taliaferro Family History" which I have read with great interest - although my branch of the family does not appear in the history. I think perhaps our branch of the family disappears from the history on page 16. I have had a great desire to get the history of our family, as it is one of which we have no cause to be ashamed.
My father was William Richard Taliaferro of Caroline Co Va, his father was Robert and I think his grandfather was William, though of this I am not quite sure. My grandmother was Mrs. Harriet Taylor, a sister of General James Taylor, who came from Virginia and settled in Newport,Ky early in the present century - my father was born in Caroline Co Va in 1802, and came to Kentucky with his mother, then a widow in 1814, and settled also near Newport. He died in Jan, '95 after having spent a long and useful life - he was a man of some means, and left to his children a very nice little estate in the Highlands, a suburb of Newport and Cincinnati. He had three brothers and one sister - The brothers were, John, for a term of years clerk of the Campbell, Pa. court, and married Miss Francis Southgate of Newport, Ky. His grandson Taliaferro Thompson of the regular Army is now a Lt.Col in the U.S.Army, having graduated at West Point.
He has been honored recently by the appointment or selection to prepare
an article for an English Encyclopedia on the improved firearms of the
United States, James and Robert brothers to my father settled in Oldham,
Ky where they were procurement citizens for a long term of years - The
sister
married Mr.Thornton - I think is first name was Charles. She also settled
in Oldham, Pa. All are now dead though they left quite a numerous
posterity.
My father was thrice married - first to Miss Alice Berry, sister to Col. James T. Berry of Newport, Ky, and Aunt to Col. Albert S. Berry, now member of congress from the 6th District of Ky - By this marriage he had five children, Rev Hubbard, Dr.James R., John T., Ann Eliza, & Alice all of whom have passed into the great beyond.
His second marriage was to Miss Harriet McGrew daughter of Thos McGrew Esq of near Newport Ky - a family of no mean history - two sons and a daughter are the fruits of this marriage - William R. Jr., Lydia B. and myself. My brother William died in Florida four years ago.
My sister Lydia married W.W. Southgate of Newport Ky, of the same family into which my Uncle John married. They have a beautiful house in the Highlands near Ft.Thomas Ky. and a family of six children - five girls and one boy. The son is practicing law in Cincinnati, having graduated from the Cincinnati Law School about two years ago. I married Miss Mary (Jane Luc???) of Newport and have two daughters now grown - Maud Miller and Harriet Belle. They seem to retain some of their Italian characteristics as they have some reputation as pianists and vocalists.
I am a member of the Kentucky Conference of the Methodist Episcopal Church South and am at present stationed at Frankfort.
I have given you this much of my family history to get a clue to the line of my ancestry and also to give you a glimpse of the more recent history of the branch of the family not brought over in the pamphlet you were kind enough to send me.
Thanking you again for your kindness and hoping to know more of you
in the future. Yours very respectfully
Thomas F. Taliaferro
P.S. We have a drawing of our family crest and coat of arms - why should
we not revive it and form a Taliaferro Brotherhood? The family is so very
large and withal respectable, that it would make a strong Brotherhood and
perpetuate the family history. What think you?
T.F.T.
TALIAFERROS OF EUROPE
It's is an interesting phenomena, the adherence of these English families to each other in the 17th and 18th centuries. Of course, it all begins to unravel soon after immigration because these tight-knit English families found themselves in a new and different community. Whatever remained of adherence, was even more torn asunder by the Revolution and the receipt of bounty land in Kentucky and Tennessee. In English research, family surnames serve the same purpose as migration patterns do in America. They are the stuff that build the history of a family.
Consider, for instance the weaving of the Taliaferro extended family that we discussed last week and the question of Weldon Rogers relative to the origin of the name 'Richard' in the American Taliaferro family. The speculation was that it might be Richard Bernard. Now, read under Colonial Taliaferros another possible origin, one that is so apparent that, based on a later family naming pattern, we may rightly wonder why it was so often overlooked.
But then, we didn't know these families existed as our extended Taliaferro
family until recently, did we?
COLONIAL TALIAFERROS
We recently demonstrated that the neighborhood of Robert and Katherine Taliaferro in Gloucester VA began in England, and crossed the ocean to Virginia, creating an alliance among the Bernard, Corderoy, Gray, Ironmonger, Lanier, and Taliaferro families.
We also had an earlier discussion, before we knew about this alliance, about the origin of the name "Beheathland" and noted that it found it's way into the Taliaferro family through Capt. Richard Taliaferro and Rose Berryman. Rose Berryman, of Westmoreland County VA, was a descendant of the Beheathland family of Jamestown.
Here, however, is an even earlier tie to the Beheathland family of Jamestown, VA. This is very abbreviated information about the Bernard family, neighbors of the Gloucester Taliaferro family. It was submitted by an off line contributor. I hope we can enlarge this pedigree. To review the discussion of the origin of 'Beheathland,' see Issues 7 and 19. Here, folks, is reason to speculate that the origin of the name "Beheathland' may also have been through the Taliaferro family history. Might it also explain the origin of the name 'Richard?'
John Bernard [1490-1549] (W&MQ 2nd, 9,185)
Thomas Bernard [-1628] (W&MQuar(2)9:185)
Celia Muscote [-] (1428)
Capt. Thomas Bernard [1609-1651] (449)
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Sara [-] (1390)
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Behethland Bernard [1635-1720] (439)
Richard Beheathland [-1635] (3471)
Robert Beheathland [-] (1391)
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Mary Beheathland [1608-1651] (450)
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Mary Nicholson [-1670] (1392)
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Below is information excerpted from "Virginia Gleanings in England,"
Lothrop Witherington, The Genealogical Publishing Company, 1980.
WILL OF
John Beheathland. Will undated: proved 22 October 1639.
About to go to my mother in Virginia, hand having some small means coming
to me from my grandfather Mr. Richard Beheathland deceased, do leave all
unto Charles Beheathland, my kinsman, being my guardian. Witnesses:
Pollider Pen, Samuell Eslake, Thomas Voylet. Administration to Charles
Beheathland, sold legatee named. [Harvey, 157]
[This unusual surname was represented in Virginia at the time of the first settlement. Robert Beheathland, gentleman, came in the first ship which landed at Jamestown in 1607. During the period 1607-1609 his name appears frequently in 'Smith' as taking an active part in the affairs of the colony. In 1620 a petition was presented to the Royal Council for Virginia by many of the first personal adventurers and planters (who were ready to return if a favorable response was made) asking that some person of distinction be appointed Governor of Virginia to succeed Lord Delaware. among the signers was Captain Robert Beheathland.
In 1655 there was recorded a deed from Major John Smith and Beheathland
his wife. John Smith was, as the records show, the assumed name of
Francis Dade, who before his death took again his own name. No reason
for this disguise has ever been discovered. Mrs. Behethland Dade
married, secondly, Major Andrew Gilson and has many descendants by each
marriage.]
RESEARCH
ANNE BAKER (abaker@searnet.com) has used access to internet to obtain
information about Taliaferro Bibles. She sends a portion of the Table
of Contents so readers can evaluate whether they might wish to review this
information.
***** To access Virginia Bibles, find the table of contents at
<< http://www.mindspring.com/~jha/vatable.htm >>
To order diskettes, see:
<< http://www.mindspring.com/~jha/gbooks.htm >>
. . . . .TO GET TO TALIAFERRO BIBLES, I ASKED FOR ALL BIBLES THAT HAD THE NAME TALIAFERRO IN THEM. ALL THESE BIBLES [DIGITALIZED] PAGES CAN BE PRINTED OFF THE INTERNET..
(subject Taliaferro) and (subject bible) - 26 hits
1. Cocke family Bible record, 1688-1902.
2. Barbour family Bible record, 1735-1902.
3. Lyons family Bible records, 1740-1855.
4. Tod family Bible record, 1792-1847.
5. Taliaferro family Bible record, 1731-1838.
6. Woodford family Bible record, 1727-1932.
7. Taliaferro family Bible record, 1775-1885.
8. Lewis family Bible record, 1752-1831.
9. Tinsley family Bible record, 1731-1903.
10. Garrett family Bible record, 1806-1882.
11. Walker family Bible record, 1709-1930.
12. Warner family Bible record, 1751-1933.
13. Washington-Burke family Bible record, 1800-1925.
14. Washington family Bible record, 1770-1863.
15. Smith family Bible record, 1781-1948.
16. Chancellor family Bible record, 1760-1893.
17. Neal family Bible record, 1773-1875.
18. White family Bible record, 1796-1919.
19. Loving family Bible record, 1740-1848.
20. Kelly family Bible record, 1737-1885.
21. Hoomes family Bible record, 1745-1794.
22. Huskins family Bible record, 1772-1913.
23. Hoomes family Bible record, 1745-1917.
24. Hoskins family Bible record, 1779-1949.
25. Gwyn family Bible records, 1808-1890.
26. Gwyn(n) family Bible record, 1808-1972.
I WAS ABLE TO GET "MORE INFORMATION" ABOUT 2 OF THE BIBLES, BUT I DID
NOT ATTEMPT TO DOWNLOAD/PRINT THE PAGES
MISCELLANY
Source: An article, "Skitt Taliaferro's Fisher's River," by Richard Walser and reprinted in a Surry County volume no longer in print. The original memoirs, "Fisher's River Scenes and Characters," was published in 1859 by Harper and Brothers; however, "Skitt" Taliaferro was writing about the experiences of his boyhood so the following describes events that probably took place between 1820-1830 in Surry County NC.
'FAMUS OR NO FAMUS"
(Continued from 7 May 97)
Captain Moore now appears in his old-fashioned uniform, worn probably by some "Lutionary Capting" in many a bloody fight. 'Tis an odd-looking affair; the collar of it repulses his "ossifer hat" from the top of his "hade;" the tail, long and forked, striking his hams at every step, and two great, rusty epaulets on his shoulders - enough to weigh down a man of less patriotic spirit, and on a less patriotic occasion.
Thus equipped, "as the law directs," he commences the "drill accordin' to Duane. "I had seen every muster on that patriotic spot from the time I was able to get there and to eat a "gingy cake," but never had I seen as poor a one as that was. There was no spirit nor life in the "militeer." Instead of following Duane, they were whispering and talking about Hamp and Famus. Indeed, they greatly needed the inspiration of Hamp's barrel. Captain Moore bawled till he was hoarse, his "leftenent" and "sargint" were exhausted, but it all did not good. They performed no "revolutions" according to Duane, Steuben, nor any other author extant. The old "Revolutioners" could render them no assistance, and in despair the "Capting" dismissed them, in deep mortification.
But where are Hamp and Famus all this time? Yonder he sits, under the shade of a large apple-tree, solitary and alone, astride of his whisky barrel.
It is not one o'clock P.M., and his chances look bad; his whiskey-barrel has not been tapped, nor has any man dared to approach his condembed head- quarters. ". . . Josh Easley has sold all his "gingy cakes," and is showing his big white teeth, rejoicing at his unparalleled success. Josh is the only joyful man on the "grit."
The rest are all melancholy, standing or sitting in little squads, debating the mash-tub question. Hamp is quite composed, and his looks say, "Never mind, gentlemen, I'll sell you ever drap uv my licker yet.
Two o'clock arrives, and no one approaches Hamp's apple-tree. His prospects are growing worse. But look yonder! The crowd has collected around Uncle Jimmy Smith. Let us approach and hear him:
"Well, boyith, I don't know tho well about thith matter. Maybe we've accuthed thith feller Hamp wrongfully. He hat allerth been a clever feller and it ith a pity ef he ith innerthent uv thith charge. The fact ith, boyith, it ith mighty dull, dry timeth. Nuthin ith a-gwine on right. Boyith, you are free men. I fout fer your freedom. I thay boyith, you can do ath you pleath, but ath fur me, - ole Sthony Pint Jimmy Sthmith, - Famuth or no Famuth I musth take a little.
The speech of Uncle Jimmy was satisfactory and moving. His audience was not "spell-bound," for they moved up to Hampt's head-quarters with a "double-quick step;" the "bar'l" was tapped "Famus or no Famus," by the generous Hamp, who never reproached them for their severe accusations. Soon the condemned barrel was emptied, the money was in Hamp's pocket, and he was merry as "Gingy-cake Josh."
Uncle Jimmy soon began to sing his Revolutionary ditties, spin his yarns, and was happy enough. "Capting Moore," "leftenant" and "sarging" soon forgot their hard days work. The "Litia" and others fell to discussing questions of great moment; but the whole affair ended in skinned noses, gouged eyes, and bruised heads. That was a "famus" day in the annals of "Shipp's Muster Ground."
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