SALUTATIONS

Recently I relieved information about the below opportunity to contribute to a good cause: *****Houghton-Mifflin Publishing Co is giving books to children's hospitals. How many books they give depends on how many emails they receive from people around the world.  For every 25 emails they receive, they give one (1) book. All you have to do is email: <<   share@hmco.com  >>
and type a message saying, "childrens hospitals book drive program"

I hope you will spend a few seconds to do this... and let your friends know. I understand they have received only 3,400 messages up to the end of April. Last year they got 23,000.   Let's go and push it over 30,000.  You can help by passing this along.  Thanks a lot!!!
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The story that is beginning to unfold about the early Taliaferro family and their English and Gloucester associates is exceedingly complex.  We'll spend the next few weeks distributing raw data which will eventually form an extended family circle for our early Taliaferros.

I believe this story begins with the widow of Bartholomew Taliaferro, Joane/Jane Lanier Taliaferro, in 1602 when she married Thomas Gray of Whitechapel, Middlesex County (a London suburb).

Even as this story  begins to unfold, another principle family is waiting in the wings to be told  -- the story of the Gray/Hay family.  We know that Robert Taliaferro was baptized at Stepney Parish Church, outside London, "aged 8 days old," on 19 November 1626 twelve years after the marriage of Francis and Bennett Haie (Hay) Taliaferro.  In the issue of 19 Feb 97, we also discovered that John Gray of Perrith, Cumberland Co, England, emigrated to Virginia, but with his name changed to John Hay.  And we know, too, that he and his sister, Elizabeth, were visitors of the Taliaferro family of Taliaferro's Mount in Caroline County VA in about 1695 (see issue dated 19 Feb 97).

How does he fit into the Gray family of Joanne/Jane Lanier Taliaferro's second marriage and the marriage of her Taliaferro son, Francis who married Bennett Haie (Hay)?   Or does he, perhaps, fit into the family through the marriage of Elizabeth Taliaferro, daughter of Bartholomew and Joane Taliaferro, to
William Gray?

Of all the names related to the Taliaferros in America, none is more significant or reoccurring that the name "Hay."  Yet we are far from understanding their relationship to the Taliaferro family.  We need to roll up our sleeves, take our antihistamines, and delve into musty old books and records, albeit by internet or reprints, and bring comprehension to this relationship.  We cannot be satisfied and smug about the new ground we are breaking till we've answered our questions about the Gray/Hay family, beginning with:

Who was Bennett Haie (Hay) of Southwarke, across London Bridge from the Tower of London?
 

NEW MEMBERS

We have TT subscribers who will find greater satisfaction in this study after they submit information about their early Taliaferro families.  New Member introduction is the means by which you establish contact with other subscribers who are researching your line.  Hope you'll hasten to let us know about your family.
 

QUERIES

Here's more grist for our mill in this Query from Lea.  In view of the fact that Robert Taliaferro's wife was also named Katherine, this Query may carry more import than appears on the surface.

LEE L. DOWD (lea@gnat.net)
****Can anyone tell me Katherine's surname?
1   Jeromme TALIAFERRO  d: Sep 1609 in St. Botolph's, Bishopgate, London, England
.. +KATHERINE    [Note:  Jeromme Taliaferro was the son of Bartholomew and Joane Lanier Taliaferro.]

Here's another Query from Lea  -  a simpler one.  We need to clear up the below birth date which was a misprint or typo in the last issue.  Will someone please send in the correct information.

*****In Vol. 1 Issue 22 Barrie Rich submitted his Taliaferro line.  He showed Charles Taliaferro, Sr. (b. abt 1689) to be the son of Robert Taliaferro who died before 1672.  Was that a misprint on the birth date?
 
 

RESPONSES

BUDDY JACKSON (TJack98100)
*****In Vol. I, Issue 22 of April 30, 97 under Colonial Taliaferros, the patent of Jon[John] Lewis, Glocester 1653 was given.  This neighbor of the Taliaferros was the Immigrant ancestor of the Lewis line known as, Lewis of Warner Hall.  His grave was found in the late 1940s and it established his home as Monmouthshire, Wales.  The grave also contained a carving of his Coat- of-Arms which has been used to trace the family in Wales.  The following are some of the connections of this Lewis Family and the Taliaferro Family.

[1] Sarah Taliaferro g.grandaughter of Robert Taliaferro, the Immigrant married John Lewis, gg grandson of John Lewis, the Immigrant [the number of greats, varies   with genealogist]

[2] Lucy Taliaferro daughter of John Taliaferro and Mary Catlett married Charles Lewis gg grandson of John Lewis, the Immigrant and

[3] Fletcher Taliaferro married Ann Caroline Lewis, gggg grandaughter of John Lewis, the Immigrant.

TALIAFERROS OF EUROPE

Here is the beginning of the recently discovered European links of the Taliaferro family that were sustained after Robert Taliaferro, the emigrant, settled in Gloucester County Virginia, having arrived in November 1647. These families form a complicated web of relationships.  Eventually, they will be woven into a comprehensible pattern; but we will begin with the presentation of some of the data that will take us there.

But before beginning, it is important that we pause to renew our knowledge of the Taliaferro/Gray relationship in England.

Even before we noted the Bernard/Corderoy/Ironmonger/Lanier relationships, we became aware of the second marriage of Joane Lanier Taliaferro, widow of Bartholomew Taliaferro, to Thomas Gray and of the marriage of her Taliaferro daughter, Elizabeth, to her stepson, William Gray.  There is also a lingering memory of mine that Anne, the daughter of Francis Taliaferro and sister of Robert Taliaferro, married a Gray; but the memory is not supported at this time by evidence, and may be no more than a mental substitution on my part of 'Anne' for 'Elizabeth.' This marriage undoubtedly figures into the Bernard/Corderoy/Ironmonger/Lanier web we are weaving.

Last week we explored the Gloucester landscape and discovered the neighbors of Robert Taliaferro, among them the Bernard, Corderoy, and Ironmonger families. To begin drawing these families together in Europe, we note again the appearance of the Gray family in the following extract.  We cannot 'prove' that Joane Lanier Taliaferro or Elizabeth Taliaferro married into this particular Gray family after the death of Bartholomew Taliaferro; but the odds are that it is the same family.  Note the birth of the child Joane/Jane Gray in 1618.  Then note the marriage of the daughter of Joane/Jane Gray Hux to Thomas Ironmonger.

JUDY CANANT (AslanJ@aol.com)
 ***** Descendants of Francis #1 (said to be fr of Francis I) Gray

1   Francis #1 (said to be fr of Francis I) Gray b: Aft 1538 (not proven father of Francis I - one  person said it was JOHN Gray)   d: Aft 1617 in
Could he be Thomas Gray?????
  2   Thomas Gray, son of Francis #1 b: ABT  1590  d: Bef 1662
   --+Annis Valentine  m: March 29, 1611 in St Peter, Paul's Wharf,
                                London d: Bef January 24,  1624/25
--  3 Thomas Gray b: Aft 1611  d: Bef January 1, 1672/73
--  3 Joane/Jane Gray b: Abt  1618
----+John Hux b: Abt  1612  d: Bef May 4, 1668
---- 4   Mary Hux   d: Bef May 2, 1693
-----+Thomas Ironmonger b: ABT  1630  d: Bef July 7, 1691
*****

To begin weaving these families into an extended family, here is an excerpt from "Virginia Gleanings in England," by Lothrop Withington, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. 1980.
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Will of William Corderoy of Chuet, Co. Wilts, Esq, written 15 June 1621 and proved 4 November 1623.
Chester's 'Marriage Licenses' shows that "Richard Bernard of Petsoe, Bucks, widower, aged 26," was granted a license, Nov. 24, 1634, to marry "Anne Corderoy, aged 26, daughter of _____ Corderoy Esq." at St. Andrews-in-the Wardrobe, London.  They came afterwards to Va., and in a grant of land to Mrs. Anna Bernard July 2, 1652, appear the names of Ellinor, William and Edward Corderoy, headrights.  From the names of the will and the headrights it looks very much as if this William Corderoy was the father of Mrs. Bernard. There are other things which seem to prove that this was indeed the fact.  Among the other headrights to the Bernard grant, which has been referred to, were William, Francis and Elizabeth Ironmonger (or Iremonger).   In the Salifbury marriage licenses, not in course of publication in the (English) "Genealogist," it appears that on July 23, 1628 a license was issued for the marriage of Samuel Iremonger of Dennington (Donnington?), Berks., gent., aged 21 , and Bridget Corderoy of Chute, Wilts., aged 24.  We have therefore the three daughters of William Corderoy, the testator, accounted for.  Anna, who married Richard Bernard, Elinor, who came with her sister to Virginia, and Bridget, who married Samuel Iremonger.  Evidently Mrs. Iremonger's children came with their aunt to Virginia.  There ware also others not included among these headrights.  In this Magazine XI, 75, 76,  - 'this' magazine not identified  -  are the administrations granted 1681 to Elizabeth (Iremonger) wife of Anthony Evenden, on the estates of her sisters Martha (Iremonger) wife of John Jones, and Ann (Iremonger) Rumney, and her brother Corderoy Ironmonger, all of whom had died intestate in Virginia.]

>From a pedigree printed in "The Genealogist, IXX, 22, and in the Visitation of Wiltshire, 1623, edited by Marshall, the following genealogy of the family of Cordray or Corderoy of Chute, Wiltshire, has been compiled.  "Arms;  Sable, a chevron or between two mullets of the second in chief and a lion passant ducally crowned of the second in base within a bordure of the third."

Thomas Cordray of Chute, Co. Wilts., gent, married Jane, daughter of _?_ Gray in Co. Somerset, and by her had issue:  1. Thomas(@), son and heir; 2. Richard; 3. Maude, married Lucas Linton, of Alsford, Co. Hants.

Thomas(2) Cordray of Chute, marr. Jane, daughter and heiress of Roger Sennore of Andover, Co. Southampton (Seamor, according to the "Visitation" of 1623) and had issue:  2. Thomas (3), son and heir; 2. Alys, married first Thomas Bartholomew, of Salifbury, second Robert Elliott, of the same place; 3. Katherine, married William Poton of Colbarwick.

Thomas (3) Cordray of Chute, gent., married Jane, daughter of Thomas Coxwell, of _____, Co. Berks (Thomas Morris, of Coxwell, in the Visitation) and had issues:  1. Edward(4), son and heir married a sister of James Merum, and dsp; 2. William (4); 3. John; 4. Thomas; 5. Robert; 6. Richard; 7. James; 8. Jeromy; 9. Elizabeth; 10. Jane; 11. Alys; 12 Mary; 13. Jane.

William Cordray, Esq., of Chute, brother and heir of Edward(3\4) married Bridget, daughter of Edward Goddard, of Woodhay, in Co. Southampton. Issue: William, Esq., son and heir, aged 22, in 1623; 2. Edward aged 20; 3. John aged 16; 4. Bridget, aged 21; 5. Anna, aged 15; 6. Ellinor, aged 11.

 
RESEARCH

PAUL GILBERT (Paul_Gilbert@lkstevens.wednet.edu) *****Fredericksburg District Court, Superior Court of Law, CR-SL-L Document #573-14 1807

Nimrod Saunders vs John Taliaferro, King George County

Nimrod Saunders complains of John Taliaferro in custody &c of a plea of trefspafs on the case. For that whereas the said John on the day of   in the year to wit at the parish of  and county aforesaid was indebted to the said Nimrod in the sum of sixty one pounds ten shillings and five pence half penny for the work and labor, care and dilgence of the said Nimrod as a House Joiner by him the said Nimrod before that time done, performed, and bestowed in and about the businefs of the said John and for the said John at his special insistence and request, and also for divers materials and other necefsary things found, provided, used and applied by the said Nimrod on that occasion and at the special insistence and request of the said John; and being to indebted he the said in consideration thereof afterwards to wit on the same say and year aforesaid undertook and faithfully promised the said Nimrod to pay him the said sum of money when he the said John should be thereunto afterwards required.

And whereas afterwards to wit on the day and year aforesaid at the parish and county aforesaid in consideration that the said Nimond at the like special instance and request of the said John had before that time done, performd, and bestowd other his work, and labor, care and diligence in and about other the business of the said John, for the said John, and at his like special instance and request: and had also at the like request of the said John found, provided, and applied divers other mateirals and other necefsary things in and about the said businefs, he the said John there and then undertook and faithfully promised the said Nimrod to pay him so much money as he therefore reasonably deserved to have pd.  the same when he the said John should be thereto afterwards requested. And the said Nimrod avers that he therefore reasonably deserved to have of the said John for the same this sixty one pounds ten shillings & five pence half penny. To wit at the parish and county aforesaid whereof the said John afterwards to wit on the same day and year aforesaid then had notice.  Yet the said John not regarding his said several promises and understandings by him and in his behalf as aforesaid but contriving and fraudulently intending craftily and subtlily to defraud and deceive the said Nimrod in the behalf hath not yet
paid the said serval sums of money or any parts thereof to the said Nimrod (altho so to do he the John was requested &c) but to pay the same the said John hath betherto wholly refused and still doth refuse to the damage of the said Nimrod u110 and therefore he brings suit.

Col John Taliaferro's Bill

To framing 70 Squares @ 7/ per Square               24.10.0
To Casing 9 windows @ 12/ per window                 5.08.0
To casing 2  do     @  7/6   2 do @ 4/
1.03.0
To weatherboarding 19 Sqrs @ 7/                                    6.13.0
To casing porticoe plate 32 feet @6d per ft                      0.16.0
To geting shingling lath 800 feet @ 3u per M                  2.08.0
To geting 3500 feet featheredge plank @ 3u5s per M   11.07.6
To puting up 56 feet box & cornish @ 1/ ft                     2.16.0
To geting 3200 feet scantling @ 4u per M                    12.16.0
To shingling 8 Sqrs @ 7/ per Sqr                                    2.16.0
To building a kitchen charge 13u10s                             13.10.0
To drefsing 5000 shingles @ 5/ per M                            1.05.0
To puting up 72ft bargeboards with moulds @4d per ft   1.04.0
To puting up 44ft corner boards @ 4d per ft                    0.14.8
To making 2 doors @ 12/ door
1.04.0
To geting 11 posts for porticoe & poarch @ 6/ ea            3.06.0
To one hand following ye cart 8 days @ 3/ per day          1.04.0
Amt of Bill           93.00.2
a third laid on 31.00.0
whole amount 124.00.2

1801 By Goods & c of G. Tod 47.09.9
     By my ??       G Tod
     against you
15.00.0

62.09.9
Due Nimrod Saunders
61.10.5x
 
 

MISCELLANY

Source:  An article, "Skitt Taliaferro's Fisher's River,"  by Richard Walser and reprinted in a Surry County volume no longer in print.  The original memoirs, "Fisher's River Scenes and Characters," was published in 1859 by Harper and Brothers; however, "Skitt" Taliaferro was writing about the experiences of his boyhood so the following describes events that probably took place between 1820-1830 in Surry County NC.

'FAMUS OR NO FAMUS"

Fisher's River was one of the last places for the importance of militia musters, in the expressive language of that section, "to give up the ghost." I account for it from the fact that a few old Revolutionary soldiers lived in the community, and kept the 'milteer sperit" always at blood heat in the rising generation.

Their musters were semi-annual, held in May and November, and the old "Revolutionaries" were ever present.  The "capting," leftenant," "sargint" all the "ossifers"  -  were proud to perform "revolutions" before them. "They knowed a thing or two about militeer tactucks, just as well as old Steuben ur Duane tharselves."  And the "capting" never thought for once of giving the word "Right face! dismissed!" till they were gravely reviewed by the "old sogers.

There was another matter of powerful attraction to the old "Lutionaries" and the "Litia"  - the "knock-[em-stiff" that was as punctual in attendance as any of the "patriots."  . . . Hamp Hudson with his "licker," were men and things as much looked for as "Capting Moore with his militeer uniform."

Hamp Hudson was the only man in that whole country who kept a "still-house" running all the year; the weaker ones would "run dry."  Of course, Hamp, and his still-house, and all the appurentances thereof," were well known to the whole country.

Hamp also had a noted dog, named "Famus," as famous for being in the distillery as Hamp himself, and quite as well known in that entire region as his master.

Now it came to pass in the course of human and dog events that Famus fell into a "mash-tub" and was drowned.  It was "narrated" all through the country "that Famus was drowned in a mash-tub, and Hamp had distilled the beer in which Famus was drowned, and was gwine to carry it to May muster to sell."  This report produced a powerful sensation in the commujnity, and was the only topic of conversation.  All appeared to believe it, and there was a general determination "not to drink one drap uv Hamp's nasty of Famus licker."

The auspicious muster-day arrives, and the people collect form Stewart's Creek, Ring's Creek, Beaver Dam, Big Fisher's and Little Fisher's Rivers, from the "Hollow," the "foot uf the Mounting"  -  from the Dan to the Beersheba of that whole country.  I too, was there  - though but a lad, deeply interested in the action of that important day  - to see who would triumph, Hamp and Famus, or an indignant community.

As soon as they collect they meet in little squads to debate the grave question.  The old "Revolutioners" are there, and their sage counsels decide all questions.  "They fout for our liverties, and they must be heaen." "Uncle Jimmy Smith," a leading man among them, particular on "licker questions," makes a speech to the crowd just before Capting Moore tells the "orderly sargint" to "form ranks.  Uncle Jimmy lisps, but is clearly understood by his waiting and attentive audience.  They are "spellbound" by his nervous and patriotic eloquence.  What if he has a slight impediment in his speech? his eloquence is in his subject:  hear him.

"Now, boyith.  I'm an old man, - wath at the sthorming uf Sthony Pint, under old Mad Anthony Wayne, ath we boyith allerth called him, and I've marched and countermarched through thick and thin; hev fout, bled and died neirly, for theven long yearth.  I ev theen many outrageth but thith Famuth bithneth capth the sthack and thaveth the grain.  Jith think uv thith feller Hamp Hudthon, ter sthill the beer uv that mash-tub whar Famuth - that nathty, sthinkin dog wath drowned in and fur to think fur to bring it here ter thell the nathty, sthinkin whithky ter hith naborth,' "Capting" Moore and Company and to the ole tholgerth,whar fout fur yer litertith.  I tell you boyith, you can do ath you pleath, but old Jimmy Sthmith  - old Sthony Pint - ain't a gwine ter tech it." "Nur me!"  "Nur me!"  Uncle Jimmy!" shouted hundreds.

The voice of the sergeant is now heard like a Blue Ridge ctaract:
"O-Yis!  O-Yis! The hour of muster have arrove!  O-Yis!  All uv ye what b'longs to Capting Moore's company, parade here!  Fall inter ranks right smart, and straight as a gun-bar'l, and dress to the right and left accordin' to the militeer tacktucks laid down by Duane in his cilebrated work on that fust of all subjects."

They fall into ranks and precision, order, dignity, and gravity, prompted by their patriotism.  Besides, the old j"Lutionary sogers" are looking at them.

(To be continued)
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