SALUTATIONS
JOHN WOOD (harlen@erols.com) responds to how the address got lost which appeared in Issue 21. *****The information you ask about in the editor's note below is a copy of a message sent to me by VLTP@AOL.Com, in response to my posting in TT concerning a question about my line of Taliaferros/Tollivers. She appears to be an expert indeed. Anyway, you didn't lose the name; it didn't appear on the message.
Also, from this same post -- with VLTP's response is printed below under Research.
JOHN M. TOLIVER (tolyfoly@flash.net) *****I would be most interested in any further information and documentation on the item (above) which appeared in your Responses section. I have been searching for my William for some time now and it would sure make my day to have him be this William and be documentable.
NEW MEMBERS
BARRIE RICH (Gaiusiv)
*****From various undocumented sources I have been advised that my
Taliaferro ancestors are as follows:
1. Robert Taliaferro (1626-1671) m. Catherine Debman
2. Charles Taliaferro, Sn. c1689-c1734 m. ?
3. Charles Taliaferro Jr. m. Sarah Thornton
4. Sarah Taliaferro (1727-1784) m. Francis Conway
5. Sarah Conway (1759-?) m. Dr. Charles Taylor
I would very much appreciate someone more knowledgeable advising if
the above is realistic and indicating:
a. Who did Charles Sn. marry
b. Did they have a Charles Jr. who married
Sarah Thornton
c. Did they have a daughter Sarah who married
Francis Conway
I have enjoyed your Taliaferro Times and am also very interested in
the Taylor and Jenkins lines in Orange County.
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BEV THOMAS (bev@access.mountain.net) *****My ggggggggrandfather was
Samuel James, of Orange Co Va., and his wife was Mildred. Although I have
not been able to prove it, I believe she may have been a Taliaferro. When
Samuel James d in 1755, Mildred qualified as executrix of her husband's
will, with William Taliaferro her security, in the sum of one hundred dollars.
Mildred James, along with Col. George Taylor, Erasmus Taylor, Sarah Slaughter
and Betty Slaughter, stood as sureties at the christening of Nicholas Taliaferro,
born 30 Oct 1757. Nicholas was the son of William Taliaferro and
Mary Battaile and the grandson of John Taliaferro and Mary Catlett. Mildred
named her eldest son, Catlett James, and the name Catlett continued to
be passed down in the James family. The above info was found in the book,
PIONEER FAMILIES OF FRANKLIN COUNTY-by WINGFIELD. If anyone has the children
of John and Mary Catlett Taliaferro, I would like to hear from you.
QUERIES
LEA L. DOWD (lea@gnat.net)
I am still looking for ANY help.....
Descendants of Adrai Adeline Taliaferro
Generation No. 1
1. Adrai Adeline2 Taliaferro (?1) was born 21 May 1818
in Monroe Co., GA, and died 20 Sep 1884. She married (1) Alexander
Freeman, Sr. 30 Jul 1833. She married (2) Abraham Bonnell 09 Jan 1842.
Notes
According to letter to R. Edith Moss from Alma Moss Wells: "My
grandmother's mother was well off, lived near Griffin at a place called
Forsythe I think. My grandfather came from New York of wealthy parents,
he was a tailor and of English parents. Died before the war."
Children of Adrai Taliaferro and Alexander Freeman are:
i. Alexander Freeman, Jr.
ii. Kate C. Freeman, b. 23 Feb 1842; d. 29 Mar 1883; m.
E.T. England.
Children of Adrai Taliaferro and Abraham Bonnell are:
iii. Caroline3 Bonnell, b. 1842.
iv. William Bonnell, b. 1844.
v. Thomas Bonnell, b. 1844; d. 1883.
vi. Sarah Bonnell, b. 1846.
vii. Adrai Adeline Bonnell, b. 09 Nov 1847; d. 11 Jul 1883, Atlanta,
Ga; m. Andrew
Jackson Moss, 16 Apr 1872.
viii. Richard Bonnell, b. 1849.
RESPONSES
VLTP@aol.com
*****1 generation: Governor Samuel Mathews >>2nd gen. Lt. Col.
Samuel Mathews >>3rd gen John Mathews m Elizabeth Tavenor d/o Michael >>4th
gen Capt. Samuel Mathews m .......Braxton( sister of George )their
issue::Francis, John, Baldwin, Mary all whom died young and Elizabeth who
m 1. ca 1710/11 Robert Taliaferro 1689-1728 and had issue; Elizabeth Taliaferro
m Feb 1746 Samuel Hildrup, Mary Taliaferro m Maximillion Berryman, and
Martha Taliaferro living 1739 m Anthony Foster d1763 will proved 7/4/1764
s/o Robert and Elizabeth Garnett. (Anthony m 2. widow Sarah Sparks)his
will is in Records of Spotsylvania Co, Va by Wm A. Crozier on page 20.
Elizabeth Mathews m 2. Moseley Battaley on 10/22/1728 so I figure the Taliaferro
daugs were b between 1711/12 & 1720. Moseley Battaleys' will is in
same book page l8. He had at least 7 children with 3 wives of which Elizabeth
was #2. Martha and Anthony had issue:eldest Edmund Foster d 1748 m Tabitha
Collins had issue Mary m John Rowzee--Elizabeth m 1847 Richard Gatewood>>John
Foster m Elizabeth Elley had son Henry>>Anthony Foster ,Jr. d1816 m 1760
Rose Coleman 1742-1816>>Thomas Foster d1764 m Dorothy Gatewood had issue
Robert, Edmund, Thomas & 4 daughters>>Elizabeth Foster m James Frasher
d1775>>Mary Foster m 1755 Thomas Bartlett>>Martha Foster m Thomas Crutcher
3rd lived Nelson Co,Ky>>They all started out in St. George Parish, Va,
Spotsylvania Co. See also Virginia Geneaoligist Vol 25 #3 July/Sept 1981.
Robert Taliaferro 1689-1728 was s/o John and Sarah Smith , she was
d/o Lawrence & Mary (Debnam/Dedman) Smith.
As for the Taliaferro Craig origin, I don't believe it. I think
she was legitimate, and she was the offspring of a first wife whom we haven't
discovered yet.
COLONIAL TALIAFERROS
We recently experienced the thrill of finding a whole new group of related families whose common history with our Taliaferros goes back to England: Bernard, Corderoy, Ironmonger, and Lanier. To this list we must add also the Gray family because of the known Taliaferro/Gray marriages in England.
Some years ago in order to discover the original Taliaferro land in Gloucester, I reconstructed the Taliaferro landscape from patent abstracted in "Cavaliers & Pioneers," Nell M. Nugent, Editor; Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 1979. A Mrs. Gray and a member of the Gloucester Forestry service helped me find the land. Using landmarks from these patents, modern maps, and Mrs. Gray's memory, we were able one day to stand on the northwest corner of one of the original Taliaferro grant. The Poropotanke is but a feeble stream now, and the "Attopotomoys Creek" exists only as a gully intersecting it; but the location of that northwest corner is clear and definite. The land now belongs to the Chesapeake Corp., a manufacturer of paper products in West Point. It is largely vacant now, raising a crop of timber, I suppose. The patents below reconstruct the first Taliaferro landscape and it's people. Only those patents which were particularly demonstrative of the location are used.
To begin our discovery of the various families whom we are adding to our family tree, we begin with the land. Thanks so much to each of you who have contributed to this effort. It will take a month or six weeks to describe these families.
In addition, in Issue No. 21, April 23, 1997, Weldon Rogers raised the
following question: "The only Taliaferro given name without a known
family precedent is Richard. All the Williams take their name from
their genetic ancestor William Debnam, father of Katherine Debnam who married
Robert
Taliferro I (1626-1671)."
See if you don't agree with me that the first Richard Taliaferro was
named for Richard Bernard.
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[Editorial Note: I only listed names of persons transported when they
seemed to be of specific interest to the study I was carrying out at the
time. Some of the earliest patents in this community were issued to Richard
Lee beginning in 1638. His patents are followed by the Taliaferro
patents to provide the base. After the Taliaferro patents appear
abstracts of the patents to others in the neighborhood. They appear
in chronological order.]
Richard Lee. 1000 acres. (Undated, but probably 1638, before the name of the Charles River was changed to York River.) On N side of Charles River. Called by name of the Indian spring in Poropotanck Dr. along Francis Morgan's land. Second patent for 1250 ac in 1648 on Nside of York River, opposite to the Poplar Neck on S side of the river, being land formerly owned by John Bales and George Knight. Third patent: 550 acres on the Nsid of York River, 350 acres bounded towards the head and SE of said creek which is the WW'd bound of another tract of said Lee; 200 ac on the WW'd side of a branch of Bennetts Creek. Fourth patent, 500 acres on head branches of Poropotank Swamp and upon S&N of Mattopony Path, bounded ESE by swamp and valley called Spring Valley. Fifth patent: towards head of Poropotanke Creek where the store of Lee stands. Sixth patent: a repatent, 1140 acres know as Paradise beginning at Bridge Branch issuing out of Poropotank main swamp to the Spring branch of Valley; by the Beach Spring; to the Bridge Swamp by the Rich Land Branch or swamp, to the S side of Cole More Branch near Mr. John Lewis and main branch of Poropotanke Swamp.
Samuel Sallate & Robert Troliver, 800 acres. Gloster. 1651. 200 ac. upon SE side of Poropotanke and upon NE towards head of Attopotomoys Cr. next and adj. land of Oliver Green. The other 600 acres upon the SW side of a branch or swamp of said Cr. upon the head thereof, extending itself along swamp which divides this and land of Isaac Richardson.
Saml. Sollace & Robert Troliver. 900 acres. Glouster. 1655. On SE side of Poropotanck Cr. 200 ac upon NE side of a branch of same called Attapotomays Cr. adj. land of Oliver Green. 700 ac. upon SW side of a branch or swamp, along the swamp dividing this and land of Isaac Richardson. Also, same date: Sam. Sollace 353 ac. on SE side of Poropotank Cr. upon NE side of a swampe dividing this and land of Isaac Richardson and extending along a branch of same dividing this and land o John Day (301 ac. granted William Ginsey in 1652 & assnd. to Sollace). [Note 1: this patent repeats the bounds of the original tract and adds an additional 100 ac. in addition to the new patent of S. Sallis, as the name is spelled when the son of Robert Toliver married the widow, Katherine Debnam Taliaferro. Note 2: Robert Taliaferro eventually acquired 700 acres of the original patent in his own name.]
Capt. Francis Morgan. 510 acres. Gloster. 1638. 100 ac upon Charles River lying NxE upon the river, SxW into the woods, WxS upon the dividend of Capt. John West, ExN upon Cox Thickett. Second patent, 100 acres on Charles River upon the river, SxW into the woods, betwixt land of Mr. Wm. Pryor and his own land.
Mrs. Anna Barnett (Barnard). 700 acres. Gloster. 1652. Part thereof upon the head of Jones, his creek, Ely upon Rappa horse path, Sly upon land of Col. Ricd. Lee and Hugh Douginge and Wly upon said creek opposite land of Saml. Sollace. The other 300 ac abutting NW upon land of Capt. Lee, decd, & SW upon Mr. Wm. Prior, decd. Trans: Mr. Richard Barnett, Mrs. Anna Barnett, Ellinor Corderoy, Eliz. Barnett, Corderoy Barnett, Richard Barnett, Wm. Corderoy, Edwd. Cordroy, Wm. Ironmonger, Fra. Ironmonger, Eliza. Ironmonger, Eliza. Parry, Isabell Ashton, John Smith, Thomas Field, Joseph Bach, Anne Whitelock, John Fuller, Leo. Lett, Henry Fablett.
Ralph Green. 400 acres. Glouster. 1653. Beginning at mouth of Jones Creek, E upon a creek dividing this from Col. Richard Lee, NW upon land of Wm. Thorpe (which was assnd him by Col. Lee).
Oliver Green. 120 acres. Gloster. 1653. Upon ESE side of Poropotanke Cr., WNW upon same, NNE upon a small swamp which divides this and land of Mr. Nich. Jarnew, ESE upon a branch and swamp which divides this and land o Sam. Sallis & SSW upon Atapotomays Cr.
John Day. 400 acres. Gloster. 1653. Upon SE side of Poropotank upon head Mattopony Cr. (Attopotomoys) upon NE side of a swamp which divides this and land of Isack Richeson, extending along a branch of swamp which divides this and land of Willm. Kinsey (shown as Ginsey in other entries), WxS upon land of Isaac Richeson, and NWxW on land of Wm. Bayley.
Mr. Jon. Lewis. 250 acres. Glocester. 1653. At head of a branch belonging to Poropotanke called Lewis Creek, but formerly Totopotomoys Cr. Running NE by N by land of Capt. Francis Morgan and SE by E by the land of Saml. Sally.
Robert Lee. 542 acres. Gloster. 1662. Beg. at Mr. Thornton's path, running SSE by Col. Lees horse path, then SWxW to the barrens by sd. path, then WNW to Dogwood valley and to branch by sd. Lee's plantation, down same to little fork and up branch that makes the fork to Mr. Thornton's land. Trans: Jno. Bucknell (Buckner?), Eliz. Williams, Valent. Smith, Abra. Smith, Jno. Folcher, Tho. Roulston, Robt. Haniger, Tho. Clay.
William Corderoy. 400 acres. Gloster. 1664. Beginning at mouth of a branch on NW side of Tottopottomoyes Sw. and by the cross path to Mr. Buckners and to first great branch on SE side of swamp and by Purton path.
Francis Ironmonger. 660 acres. Gloucester. 1665. Near head branches of Totopotomoy Cr. & joins Creek beginning at corner tree of Major John Smith running to land of Wm. Corderoy over a path thence S.W to Richard Barnard's corner tree, up line of Purton's.
Mr. Wm. Thornton. 164 acres. Gloster in Petsoe Parish. 1666. Joining the land he now lives on, beg in old line, running ENE to old line of Mr. Richard Barnard, NE x N by a branch, SE to Rappahannock Path and to Robert Lee's land.
Maj. John Smith. 500 acres. Gloster. 1666. Adjoining land where he lives beginning at a point running NW to little Poropotanck, down creek to river, SSE and ESE to Purton Bay and NxE by Purton Creek.
Mr. Thomas Vicars, Clerke. 650 acres on S side of branch dividing it from land of Richard Barnard and Wm. Thornton, SE to Rappa. Path, SxW to branch dividing from Wm. Roberts and to little branch on N side of swamp dividing from Xtopr. Regall.
Mr. John Buckner. 194 acres. Gloster. 1667. Beg. near plantation he lives on, to Francis Ironmonger, by arbour in Mr. Barnard's line, by Rappahannock Path, along Isack Richardsons, to Mr. Taliaferoe's. In the same year he patented with Mr. Tho. Vicars. 517 acres, Gloster, Petsoe Parish: On N side of the branch dividing John Day and Isack Richardson, adj. Oliver Green, Edward Teale, Xfer Greenaway, Tho. Wisdom, Tho. Miller and near Rappahannock Path.
Mr. Thomas Miller. 390 acres. Gloster, Petsoe Parish. 1665. On s side of a swamp dividing land of Isaak Richardson and Jon. Day near Rappa. Road, to Mr. Richard Barnard's, Thomas Vicars, and a branch dividing this from land of To. Wisdom.
Mr. John Buckner & Thomas Royston. 1000 acres. Gloster. 1668. Near Ciscake Path along Rappa. path. Transportation of: John Buckner, Elizabeth Williams, Valentine Smith, Abr. Smith, Jno. Falkner, Tho. Royston, Robt. Hanigr, Jno. Clay, Edw. Hewes, Hen. Glover and others.
Mr. John Buckner. 122 acres. Gloster. 1668. With Thos. Vikars: Beginning by Rappahannock Path opposite James Bradburey's to Ginsye's corner. Also on same date: Thomas Vickars, 20 acres on NW side Totopotamoys by Mr. Wm. Corderoys.
Wm. Corderoy. 120 acres. Gloster. 1662. Upon ESE side of Poropotancke Creek, WNW upon same, NNE upon a small swamp dividing this land and land of Nich. Jarnew, ESE upon a branch and swamp dividing this and land of Samll. Sollis, and SSW upon Tottopottomoyes Cr. Granted Oliver Green in 1653 and assigned to Edward Corderoy who conveyed to Wm. Corderoy.
Mr. John Buckner. 300 acres. Gloster, Petsoe Parish. 1681. Adjacent and betwixt land patented by Maj. John Smith in 1665 on back of Purton's old dividend and land of Mr. Francis Ironmonger granted to Mrs. Ann Bernard in 1652, beginning at said Smith's, decd, on NW side of Goodluck branch; to Totapotomie Creek.
Samuel Norrington. 540 acres. Gloster, Petsoe Parish. 1691. In right of wife Hannah. On E side of Poropotanck, 120 ac. granted to Oliver Green who assigned to Mr. Edward Corderoy who assigned to his brother William who gave to Jno., son of sd. Edward; 200 ac formerly called Tapses' Neck being part of a patent granted for 750 ac dated 1 Oct 1652 to Samll. Sallis and Rober Taliaferoe and by them sold to one Taps, who wold to Richard Croshaw who sold to Wm. & Edw. Corderoy. By death of Wm. it fell to Edward at whose death it descended to Jno., his son and heir, who, upon contract of marriage with Hannah Jones, by deed dated 20 Oct 1682, conveyed sd. land to her as relict of sd. Corderoy.
(Wow! Don't we wish it was always this simple!]
Next week, in this section we'll begin presentations of the Bernard, Corderoy, and Ironmonger families. We're still seeking any evidence that the Taliaferros (Joanne, Elizabeth, possibly Anne) who married into the Gray family in London have descendants in Virginia.
RESEARCH
VLTP@aol.com
*****John Taliaferro/Toliver 1760 Va-1863 NC married Tabitha Howell
1765 Va-1845 NC d/o James & Mary Howell (yes, he was 103). John
was a Rev War Sold BL Wt 67685-160-55 Ashe Co, NC; served as guide and
soldier under Capt Martin Gambill who was under Col Benjamin Cleveland
NC Regiment-allowed bounty land, applic executed 6/17/1846 Ashe Co NC.
Children of John Toliver and Tabitha Howell - all born &
raised in NC Nancy B. Toliver 1785-1869 m 1805 Russell Brewer 1785-1858
(Warren Co TN) William Toliver 1787-1869 m 1814 Elizabeth"Betsy" Long 1791-1878
d/o Wm & Catherine Long (Alleghany NC) John R. Toliver 1789- d TN m
Mary Brewer (TN) Mary"Polly" Toliver 1792-1887m 1817 Daniel Chance (McLean
Co,Ill) James Toliver 1795-1861 m ca 1824 Mary"Polly" Baldwin 1805-68 d/o
Wm & Jane(KY) Charles Toliver 1800-1877 m 1827 Patience Jones d/o Daniel
& Eleanor (NC) Allen Toliver 1802 -by 1892 m1825 Susanna Mash 1803-will
1893 (Sparta,NC) George Toliver ca 1804-1826/7 m 1824 Va Margaret Blevins
d/o John & Catherine (Cox) Grayson Va
MISCELLANY
Source: An article, "Skitt Taliaferro's Fisher's River," by Richard Walser and reprinted in a Surry County volume no longer in print. The original memoirs, "Fisher's River Scenes and Characters," was published in 1859 by Harper and Brothers.
"WHAT COMMODITIES WERE TAKEN TO MARKET"
But here I must run off into digression to show what the people carried to market in those days [appr. 1820]. It was not whisky and brandy, for they hardly made enough for home consumption. "Things got nation dry" in summer before apple brandy came in to their relief. It was not "tar, pitch, and tarpintine," for there was but little pine there, and was short-leafed and poor. Nor was it corn, wheat, and rye, for they were "allers mighty scace" before a new "crap" came in. What then? Why, butter, flaxseed, chestnuts, chinkapins, Irish potatoes, and tobacco. These were the main staples. Sam Lundy always added a few items of his own to the above when he "slooped" to market; "wannit goody," "hickry-nut goody," and "haze-nut goody."
"FIGHTING"
Fighting in that section was a common occurence. No pistols, knives, sticks and cowardly weapons, such as are now used, were resorted to; they scorned all such as beneath brave men. Only such weapons as Nature had given them would they use in attack and defense. They would knock with their fists like a Milo, kick with their feet like a horse, bite like logerhead turtles, gouge like screw augers, and butt like rams; any method with the body was lawful.
As you passed houses going home from musters and public gatherins, those who did not go (and they were not numerous) would accost you thus: "Who fout today?" If you replied, "No one," there was evidently a disappointment.
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