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ADAM MARDER (asm.apa@email.apa.org) sends word to us of a research
effort which will be of interest to Taliaferros. Does anyone know
when this updated Meriwether book is set for publication? ******I have
read your TT issues with great interest. Every time I think about
questions to ask, they are asked and sometimes answered in the next issue.
The Meriwether cousins refer to the Nelson Health Meriwether 1964 book as simply 'NHM'. There is currently a grand scale effort to update this work and produce several books of 27,000 plus (and growing) known descendents. I once read a article, a year ago, I think it was in the 'Virginia Magazine of Biography and History." It is frequently referred to by many researchers looking in VA.. There was an article about the three Gregory girls and the three Thornton men. Another article about the three wives of Walker. I think there was a message via the Virginia Genealogy email group a few months back talking about the first wife and the third wife descendents lines came back together. The Tyler's Quarterly also may have articles to the above two issues.
NEW MEMBERS
We have several new member, but none have submitted their introductory
information this week. The New Member introduction is the method
of establishing contact with Taliaferros of the same line or who have information
that might help New Members open communication with 'their' Taliaferros.
QUERIES
No Queries were submitted this week either, so I'll take this opportunity to reiterate our ongoing collection of Queries in the hope that someone will make it to the Library this week to see what they can find (mine is undergoing modification and is closed).
1. Who were the parents of Joane Lane who married Bartholomew Taliaferro
in London in 1583?
2. Did Francis Taliaferro (1590-1647 ) of Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Co, England, have two wives: Bennett Haie and Miriam _(?)_?
3. Are there unknown Taliafero descendants who were the descendants
of the daughters of Bartholomew or Francis Taliaferro?
There are many sub-questions to these. See the edition of 19 Feb 97 for discussion of topic.
We have now dedlete on question from our list this week, thanks to CAROL
PURDY. See below the information she compiled about the identity
of Katherine Deadman Taliaferro, wife of Robert Taliaferro, the immigrant.
RESPONSES
VLTP@aol.com responds to DONNA HUNTER (Dhunter365@aol.com) *****Benjamin
Berryman Taliaferro b1/9/1770 m1/23/1792 Mildred (Franklin) Taylor
m 2. 12/28/1821 Judith Crawford d/o Nelson Crawford Reference is
Amherst Co, Va Marriage Records 1763-1853, page 72
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ANNE HAMLIN (AHamlin777) has been a busy person this week.
She responds below to questions posed by BETTY ANN SMIDDY (103107.3363@CompuServe.COM)
who asked: " Can anyone connect this family to the Taliaferro Family? (KY
BIO #379... Rev. T.F.Taliaferro...) "
And adds a few other items to expand our knowledge base. Many
thanks, Anne. ******I have a couple of possibilities... they are possibly
the same people, but I don't have enough information to connect them to
each other or to the Biography copied in the newsletter. I hope maybe
someone else can help us out here.
1. I have the following from an e-mail correspondence (but no
sources cited):
A Robert Taliaferro (nothing further on him) married: Nancy Ann Taylor (b. abt 1775). She was the daughter of James Taylor, III (b. 1732) and Ann Hubbard (b. 1738) who married in 1758 at Midway, Caroline County, VA. She was the sister of General James Taylor, IV (b. 1769) Midway, Caroline Co., d. Nov. 7, 1748 Campbell County KY.
2. Then, from Tyler's Quarterly & Marriages of Some VA families,
I have a Robert Taliaferro shown to have married an Anne Hubbard Taylor
. He is connected to the Taliaferros as follow below. The children I have
listed do not include a W.R. Taliaferro, and I am not sure about the time
period... it may be a little too early:
Generation 1. TALIAFERRO, Richard, b: 1706 Caroline Co.,
VA, married BERRYMAN, Rose
Generation 2. TALIAFERRO, Richard b: September 02, 1747, married BANKHEAD, Jane
Generation 3. TALIAFERRO, Robert, b: Abt 1767, married TAYLOR, Anne Hubbard (Note from Anne: I have also seen her name written as Ann Hubbard (Taylor) as if she had been previously married to a Taylor- ?? She might have been married to James Taylor: but that Ann Hubbard would have been about 20 years older than this Robert Taliaferro according to the dates I have for them - I am guessing that this Anne Hubbard Taylor could be Ann Hubbard & James Taylor's daughter; I have her as Nancy Ann Taylor shown to have married a Robert Taliaferro in an e-mail correspondence I received.) (Note from Editor: Nancy was a pet name for Ann at this time in history. Later family history researchers often show Nancy and Ann as if were two separate names as they are today. A double given name for English colonials was rare. It was considered to be an encroachment on a privilege reserved for royalty.
Anyone with German ancestors often notes the double given name in their early American culture, but it was genuinely rare among English families. Almost immediately on conclusion of the Revolutionary War, English Americans began using double given names - I guess it was a way of thumbing their nose at former English restrictions which no long applied to them.)
Their children:
i Anne Hubbard Taliaferro
ii James Bankhead Taliaferro
iii John Narborne Taliaferro
iv William Taylor Taliaferro
v Norborne Taliaferro
(Sources: Marriages of Some VA Residents and: Tyler's
Quarterly
Magazine,
Vol. XI, Richmond Press, 1930)
Also from Anne Hamlin
FROM KY BIOGRAPHIES automated list... 96-11-27
ROBERT COOK BUCKNER: To find the name of this eminent servant
of the Lord among the list of Daviess County Baptists is indeed an honor.
He is the father of the Orphanage Work among Texas Baptists. Kentucky
Baptists have the honor of giving him to Texas Baptists.
He was the son of Elder Daniel Buckner. He was born in Madisonville, Tennessee, on January 3, 1833. In his sixth year he was brought by his parents to Pulaski County, Kentucky. An interest in the salvation of his soul was manifested in his ninth year but it was not until the reached the age of twelve that he made his profession of faith in Christ and was baptized into the fellowship of the Somerset Church by his father. At the age of seventeen he was licensed to preach, after which he spent two years in Georgetown college. At the age of twenty he was chosen pastor of the church at Albany; in Clinton County, Kentucky. Here at the age of twenty-two he married a Miss Long and in September, 1854, took charge of the First Church in Owensboro, Kentucky. His stay here was short as he resigned in June, 1855, to take the Agency of the Board of Domestic Missions and still later the pastorate of the church at Salvisa in Mercer County.
In 1859 he visited Texas for the purpose of recuperating his health. This visit led to his removal to the Lone Star state. Here he raised the money to build a High School at Ladonia. Meanwhile he published a small work on infant baptism entitled "The Absence of Divine Testimony." In 1860 he became pastor of the church at Paris, Texas. He remained here until 1874 when he began the publication of the Religious Messenger. A year later he changed the place of publication from Paris to Dallas, Texas, and subsequently changed the name of the paper to the Texas Baptist. He continued the publication of this paper until about the year 1885. In the meantime he became interested in Orphanage Work and began what is now known as the Buckner Orphanage. This brings us to an end of his useful life because of a lack of information. His name will forever be a household word among Texas Baptists.
Also from Anne Hamlin
I thought this from KY Biographies would be of intrest to some.
From KY Biographies dated 96-11-25
HISTORY OF KENTUCKY, by Lewis Collins, and J.A. & U.P. James,
published 1847.
Reprinted by Henry Clay Press, Lexington, Ky., 1968,
pp. 112-113. [Unknown county].
LEWIS CRAIG was the founder of the first worshipping congregation in
Kentucky. He had been a valiant champion of the cause in Virginia.
He was several times imprisoned in that state for preaching the gospel.
The first time, he was arrested in company with several other ministers.
The prosecuting attorney represented them to be a great annoyance to the
county by their zeal as preachers. "May it please your worships,"
said he, "they cannot meet a man upon the road, but they must ram a text
of scripture down his throat." As they passed on to prison, through
the streets of Fredricksburgh, they united in singing the lines,
"Broad is the road that leads to death," &c."
They remained in prison one month, and while there, Mr. C. preached
through the grate to large crowds, and was the means of doing much good.
Once after this, he was imprisoned three months. Mr. Taylor says
of him, "He was in the gospel ministry near sixty years, and was about
eighty-seven when he gave up the ghost. As an expositor of scripture,
he was not very skillful, but dealt closely with the heart. He was
better acquainted with men than with books. He never dwelt much on doctrine,
but most on experimental and practical godliness. Though he was not
called a great preacher, perhaps there was never found in Kentucky so great
a gift of exhortation as in Lewis Craig: the sound of his voice would
make men tremble and rejoice. The first time I heard him preach,
I seemed to hear the sound of his voice for many months. He was of
middle stature, rather stoop shouldered, his hair black, thick set and
somewhat curled, a pleasant countenance, free spoken, and his company very
interesting; a great-peace maker among contending parties. He died
suddenly, of which he was forewarned, saying, I am going to such a house
to die; and with solemn joy he went on to the house, and with little pain,
left the world."
More from Anne:
I don't know if we can ever connect up this far with the Grays... but here is a Gray. I really liked your theory on them in the vol. 15 TT...
FROM KY BIOGRAPHIES automated list:96-12-03
Kentucky: A History of the State, Battle, Perrin, & Kniffin, 7th
ed., 1887, Grant Co.
THOMAS E. GRAY, physician and surgeon, was born in Grant County, Ky.,
January 28, 1855, and is the son of Thomas Gray, a native of Bourbon County,
Ky., was born in 1829; he was a farmer by occupation, which he followed
until 1876, when he was elected sheriff of Owen County, and served until
1880, when he resumed farming; he has a family of seven children, but his
wife died in 1886.
William Gray, the grandfather of Thomas E. Gray, was a native of Virginia,
who came to Kentucky when a young man; he was a cooper by trade, but after
settling in Kentucky he engaged in farming; he married Polly Andrews, who
is still living in Grant County, at the age of ninety-two years.
Abijah Degarnette, maternal grandfather of our subject, was a native of
Virginia, but located in Henry County, Ky., early in life, where he died
in 1862; his father came from France. Thomas E. Gray was educated
in Owen County. He read medicine with Dr. J. W. McGinniss, in 1879,
and attended the Ohio Medical College at Cincinnati, where he graduated
in 1880. In October, 1885, he married Miss Susan Threlkeld, daughter
of Lycurgus Threlkeld, of Owen County, and one child--Walter F.--has blessed
their union. Mr. Gray is a Democrat and an Odd Fellow.
COLONIAL TALLIAFERROS
CAROL PURDY (74024.1350@CompuServe.COM) tried several times while I was gone to send this. Thanks for persevering, Carol. She has compiled information from several secondary sources which address the family of Katherine Dedman Taliaferro, wife of Robert Taliaferro, the immigrant. Good work, Carol, to pull all of this together for us to review.
TT's earlier observation about the identity of the wife of Robert Taliaferro was: " In 1672, soon after the death of Robert Taliaferro, Sr., his widow styled herself "Mrs. Katherine Taliaferro." This early usage is preserved in the Court Record Books of "Old" Rappahannock Co VA (progenitor of Essex and Caroline Counties). In this instance, the widow of Robert Taliaferro, herself, used the name Katherine and spelled it with a "K." The recording clerk would have had her signed statement at hand when the record was originated. [Source: 'Who was Catherine, the Wife of Cadwallader Jones of Virginia?' by Henry G. Taliaferro - "Virginia Genealogist," Vol. 38, No. 3, July-Sept 1994]"
Here's Carol's summation of the issue including information about the Dedman/Grymes family which caps off this issue very neatly. This is a great addition to our collection. Many thanks, Carol, for this contribution.
1. In "Genealogies of Virginia Families" from the William & Mary Quarterly, Robert Taliaferro Sr.'s wife is identified as Sarah Grymes. DAR records from GA Archives show her as Katherine Dedman.
2. In "Genealogies of Virginia Families" from The Virginia Magazine of History & Biography, v. 5 (Randolph-Zouch), Genealogical Publishing CO., Inc., 1981, comes the following:
DEADMAN-GRYMES-TALIAFERRO--Every now and then, a reference in the body of a deed reveals a startling fact that throws unexpected light on a tradition, or claim, that has long been accepted as a fact. Such a discovery has been my recent lot and it would seem to definitely settle the question of the identity of the wife of Robert Taliaferro, I, the Immigrant. She has long been placed as Sarah, daughter of the Rev. Charles Grymes (1612/3-1662/3), who was born in Igtham, Kent, England, and who died in Virginia, matriculated a Cambridge at the age of 18 in 1631.
In Tyler's Quarterly, vol. XXI, PP. 83-84, it is shown by me that the wife of the first Robert Taliaferro was not Sarah, but Katherine (Sarah being the wife of the second Robert; and nee Catlett). On November 20, 1672, "Mrs. Katherine Taliaferro" was granted 600 acres of land for the transportation of 8 negros and 4 English servants "which rights I doe hereby assigne over to my son Robert Taliaferro." (Rappahannock County records D.B. 5, p. 99) Since Katherine Taliaferro received this patent it would seem that she was then widow and that Robert Taliaferro, I, had died before this date. The Rev. Charles Grymes died 1662/3 and left a will which was offered for probate by his widow, Katherine Grymes, who on August 26, 1678, as his executrix, was sued by Thomas Godlington of Longer (See Tyler's Quarterly, vol V, p.260).
Although the record of the proving of the will of the Rev. Charles Grymes does not appear, his widow Katherine must have finally succeeded in proving its validity, for on August 9, 1711, in Essex County Court, Robert Taliaferro III (grandson of Robert Taliaferro I, and Katherine, his wife), sold to Augustine Smith 200 acres of land, "part of 600 acres formerly granted to Mr. Charles Grymes September 4, 1654 and by his last will and testament bequeathed to Katherine Dedman, grandmother of the said Robert Taliaferro". (Essex County records D.B. 12, p.426). On August 9, 1692, John Smith of Ware Parish, Gloucester County, made a deed to John Taliaferro, of St. Mary's Parish, Essex County, for 200 acres of land, "the one half moiety of the land taken up by Charles Grymes, dec'd, November 22, 1661, and bequeathed by him to Mary Dedman." (Essex County records, Book 1, p.40). On June 20, 1726, Samuel Hoyle deeded to Samuel Skinker, both of King George Co., 300 acres of land, "part of a patent of 600 acres taken up by Charles Grymes on September 4, 1654, who by his last Will & Testament Gave and Bequesthed one Moiety or half of the said patent to his Daughter in Law Ann Dedman which said Ann intermarried with a certain Edward Hoyle by whom she had issue the above named Samuel Hoyle, party of these presents." (King George County records D.B.1, p.361.)
>From this we see that Katherine, wife of Robert Taliaferro, Ann, wife of Edward Hoyle and Mary Dedman were sisters and daughters of Katherine, wife of the Rev. Charles Grymes, by a previous marriage and hence step-daughters ("daughters in law" in the 17 & 18th century use of the word) of the Rev. Charles Grymes. Katherine Grymes was evidently the widow of Henry Dedman (or Deadman, the name is spelled both ways) who was granted 350 acres of land in Rappahannock River June 27, 1650. (Cavaliers and Pioneers, p.191.) On November 18, 1653, Henry Dedman was granted 400 acres in Lancaster County bounded with the land of Mr. James Bagnall and with another tract now in the possession of the said Deadman; 150 acres by right of a patent granted him for 350 acres June 27, 1650, which is relinquished to make this good, and 250 acres for the transportation of 5 persons. (Ibid., p.245.) On March 17, 1663, Capt George Bryer and Richard Lawrence were granted 300 acres in Rappannock County "extending along the creek side to the head of Parson Grymes, dec'd (sic)." (Ibid., p.467.) On March 16 1663/4 Bryer and Lawrence were granted 3000 acres in the same county "extending along the creekside to the land of Charles Grymes, dec'd." (Ibid., p.527.) This latter grant is probably a regrant of the patent of the preceding year, and, if the Rev. Charles Grymes was not dead at the time of the first patent, he was certainly deceased when the second grant was made. On June 4, 1652, Henry Dedman made bond for 8,337 lbs of tobacco to Richard Bennett [Ed. Note: Richard Bennett was then Governor of Virginia under authority of the Parliament.] On February 19, 1652/3, he gave a heifer to his son; October 24, 1653, he had 3 tithables; February 6, 1654/5, he was taxed with 2 tithables; and June 6, 1655, he was deceased and Richard Perrott was his administrator. (See Fleet's Lancaster County Court Orders 1652-1655.)
In the absence of more direct reference it is certainly permissible to place Katherine, wife of the Rev. Charles Grymes, as the widow of this Henry Deadman and as the mother of Katherine Deadman (who married Robert Taliaferro, I), Ann Deadman (who married Edward Hoyle) and Mary Deadman." By John Bailey Calvert Nicklin
I have also seen speculation that the wife of Robert Taliaferro I was perhaps Sarah Katherine or Katherine Sarah, and was called Sarah to distinguish her from her mother.
Ed. Note: I think this issue is effectively put to bed. The wife of the immigrant was Katherine Deadman, daughter of Henry Deadman and his wife, Katherine. So, who was Katherine, the mother of Katherine Taliaferro?
RESEARCH
JOAN MIHAY (jmihay@slonet.org) *****A friend sent me a computer
file called VA Bibles and this was in it. The Hill birth dates could be
Ann's siblings if it were her Bible, which might explain why
they are put in later than what appear to be her own children.
NICHOLAS TALIAFERRO BIBLE of Culpepper Co. Owner: Mrs. Rebecca
W. Wroten
MARRIAGES
Nicholas Taliaferro b. 12/29/1801 m. Ann Hill 2/24/1824 who was b.
12/18/1804
BIRTHS
Benjamin B. Taliaferro 2/1/1830
Malinda Margacet Taliaferro 5/30/1832
John Nicholas Taliaferro 5/10/1835
Miles Hill Taliaferro 1/23/1837
James Hampton Taliaferro 8/2/1842
Ann Amelia Taliaferro 8/13/1845
Martha Taliaferro 3/1/1847
Col. Ben Taliaferro 1/4/1756
James A. Hill 12/17/1797
Miles Hill 3/13/1774
Hampton W. Hill 3/9/1800
Tabitha Hill 1/11/1778
Ann Hill 12/18/1804
Blanton M. Hill 5/5/1802
Malinda Hill 7/3/1795
DEATHS
Benjamin Taliaferro 9/3/1821
James Hill 2/28/1831
Benjamin B. Taliaferro 11/18/1862
Miles Hill 11/4/1844
Miles Hill Taliaferro 10/12/1860
Martha Talfaferro 9/1812
MISCELLANY
There was discussion earlier in this issue about the conflicts the Baptists
endured before they were accepted as a legitimate protestant sect in Virginia.
Indeed, the Revolutionary War was about religion as much as it was about
other freedoms. This story is close to this Episcopallian's heart because
the old
Jeremiah Moore house, 'Morefields,' is a neighbor of my son in Vienna
VA. A
dedicated park surrounds it. ******* "Alexandria (VA) Gazette,"
1949.
FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH IS MONUMENT TO JEREMIAH MOORE, SPEARHEAD FOR RELIGIOUS
FREEDOM IN NATION
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Crusading Pastor Preached From Alexandria Jail in Long Struggle with
British Crown for Rights; Lives to See Beliefs Established in New Nation
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The First Baptist Church on Washington St. [in Alexandria VA] with
its 2,000 members is the living testament of the contribution of one man
to the cause of religious freedom.
He was Jeremiah Moore, an itinerant of no great education, but endowed with a burning passion to preach the Gospel. Born on June 7, 1746 in Prince William County, he professed faith at 26, and went forth in the wilderness like John, the Baptist, to bring the humanity that had sprawled over the general Alexandria area, closer to the fold of righteousness. In this endeavor he traveled over uncertain and unknown paths and suffered all kinds of privations. Yet he lived to see his first congregation, which was established here in 1803, become a thriving church. . . .
For those who did not belong to the Established Church of England, the task of preaching the Gospel was difficult. Throughout the land the word "treason" was being whispered guardedly and with fear that some overt word or deed might hurl one to England for a trial that easily could end upon the gallows.
The Presbyterians had been successful in obtaining some concessions under the Act of Tolerance, but Moore felt that all men had the God-given right to go forth and preach the Gospel, and in that thought he asked no quarter, and without license proceeded to draw people into the fold without asking any human permission for such a right. For that he was thrown into jail, and he continued to preach through the wooden stakes that barred him from physical freedom.
Meanwhile politically, the hand of destiny was shaping the Revolution
that came swiftly enough when the colonies openly defied the tyranny of
England. Patrick Henry's oratory had burst into a flame that was spreading
rapidly. Beginning as a lay reader in Dettingen Church in Prince William,
Moore soon
absorbed the freedom of the hills, the same freedom that had fired
the zeal of Washington and other leaders who struck at the power of the
Crown with effective consequences.
It was natural, therefore, for Moore to refuse to obey the laws of the Established Church of which he was a lay reader. The vestry men of Fairfax Parish who had been elected by the freeholders, seemed determined to exercise civil and religious authority and no one thought of questioning a law of the Virginia Assembly enacted in 1643.
. . . Moore ventured forth and on one of his itineraries at Difficult Creek, Fairfax County, he was arrested. Since the jail was in Alexandria, the county seat, Moore was brought to this city in a drastic move to compel obedience.
He was told: "You shall lie in jail till you rot, or obey the law."
. . . But the authority which made that provision had not reckoned with other factors that swiftly were taking form.
All other non-conformity preachers obeyed the law and obtained permission as required, but this youth followed a different course. He stood firmly against a law that would permit such an outrage and rather than retract from his position, he remained in jail and continued to preach . . . through the lattice door.
The very novelty of this procedure attracted crowds, and in that day and in small town, it was not long before such news spread over the countryside. Washington and Mason frequently were here. They heard about everything else in town and must have been informed of this young preacher.
While no actual records are available to prove the point, tradition in the Moore family says that Patrick Henry, known for his ability before the bar, [came] to Alexandria and became interested in the case. . . Henry is said to have taken an immediate and positive stand. Nothing of record specifically says that Henry ever represented Moore, except tradition which the Moore family members themselves cherish in that respect.
At any rate Henry's views on the subject of all phases of human freedom
either had been by that time or soon were to be thoroughly understood by
the English Crown. It is not surprising, therefore, that he should have
flinched under the knowledge of a preacher being jailed for expounding
the Gospel, and he is quoted as saying with reference to Jeremiah Moore:
"Great God, gentlemen, a man in prison for preaching the Gospel of the
Son of God."
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